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Edited by bobswerski:
7/2/2016 9:48:19 PM
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It's certainly a logical approach to balance but your basic premise that shoulder charge is OP, dominating crucible, and even more inexplicably, [i]has no counter[/i] is fatally flawed. And the nerf to [i]throwing knives[/i] is the problem? That's just insane, I'm sorry.
We don't need to come up with a counter to shoulder charge anyway, it already exists: Shottys are a definite hard counter to shoulder charge, as opposed to, say, hardscoping down a hallway and forgetting that your radar exists.
Conclusion: [b]You're making the same mistake[/b], trying to do something about shoulder charge, which is in no way OP but is actually a good counter to what's really ailing PvP right now, which is campy sniping bullshit play. One thing we don't need is to slow things down even further!
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I agree with your sniper bit however, I just used shoulder charge as an example as it is the thing everyone is crying nerf for as of now. I feel like each ability should be able to be soft counter by three other abilities and those abilities should be soft countered by 3. So on and so forth. 1 subclass for each class should be able to counter a certain ability of another subclass. And if you don't have that ability equipped/aren't using the correct subclass with that soft counter, it is no one's fault but your own at that point. A rock paper scissors if you will. No more nerfs because you have the ability to stop the thing that's always killing you now. It will also make the crucible more interesting as everyone would be switching perks mid game to combat other perks.
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Edited by bobswerski: 7/2/2016 10:01:09 PMAgain, the logic is sound but what you've really proven is how hard it actually is to balance stuff like this. Shoulder charge arguably isn't even the best perk in that tree, it's not the problem. But everybody pisses and moans about it anyway instead of just using the widely available counter to it. So even if you don't nerf it, but buff something else, you've now given stormcallers something that [u]is[/u] actually OP, that insanely powerful melee you suggested. Trust me that the forums would explode in flames if that was put in. Power creep is a real thing, and you just asked for it.
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It was just an example I don't actually want the change like that lol.
