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Edited by Sean Djinn: 6/26/2016 2:21:51 AM
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Shoulder Charge and Juggernaut NEED CHANGES NOW!

(Fine, if no one is going to care about what I have to say because my title wasn't controversial enough then I'll change it. [b]It is now changed[/b]) [b][i][u]If you can't figure out the title is a satire of how only titles like this pull out attention and people then shame on you. Want to attack me? Refer to replies below.[/u][/i][/b] First off in trying to be as non-biased as possible with this. So if I come off as a Titan hater then I apologize. Anyways here I go: Do you think it's completely fair for a Striker Titan to be able to run against a wall for about a second or two to charge up juggernaut or shoulder charge? It's a pretty unrealistic and stupid. Some may disagree but it should still be obvious how cowardly the tactic actual is. Now running in a circle in plain sight to get the ability to proc - that's fine. Like I said it's in plain sight so there is stills risk to it. Hiding behind a wall... Not so much. (To be fair though, when I play I sometimes use this. So yes, I'm also a coward. lol.... Still stupid though.) To fix this issue, I suggest adding instead of a time requirement for the proc a distance requirement(in proportion to the player's agility stat). You'll have to actual put yourself at risk if you want to gain an advantage this way. And just in case someone asks, no this would not include vertical distances. Sorry Titans, I do have something else for you. Hopefully I'll think of some issues for the other classes as well by the time I finish this post. As many people who complain about Shoulder Charge being too strong- I refuse to say it's OP because I do see the other side where there is a big risk in using it- have most likely noticed, for some reason said ability can be used around corners, while only going completely vertical in motion, can apparently make a 180 degree turn mid attack, after sliding, yada yada yada. In a fewer words, it does stuff that it shouldn't be able to. Some of these problems are a bit harder to tackle due to how the game is made. The 180 degree turn thing and the hitting from around corners can't really be helped due to how hit detection and servers work in the game. The others though can be helped. For example, to fix the issue of shoulder charging while not having any form of forward motion - or to be more specific, while going straight up in the air not including if there's no forward motion due to the player running at a wall while the perk is already proc'd - there should be a counter. If the Titan of interest is floating upwards(and only upwards) and the forward velocity is lower than some significant portion - if not the entirety- of their walking speed (in proportion to the titan's agility), the Titan will have 1-2 seconds to land on the ground before the Charge's cool down resets. If it ends up reseting and the Titan lands, he/she just has to keep running again to regain it implementing the fix I already discussed above and the regular cool down rules already in work. Now the sliding part should just be either removed or altered. A way that it could be altered is to add a new ability to it. When you slide the animation has it so your leg is outward. Now what if for shoulder charge that animation had a new meaning? Imagine a Titan running towards someone, they have the perk proc'd. The enemy is holding a shotgun, but when they pull the trigger the Titan quickly slides about to use the shoulder charge. However, instead of shoulder charging, in this state they perform a kick charge- think of how this animation would look as much as your imagination allows you to. The kick charge is a ground only attack that when connecting to the target doesn't kill the target out right- unless they are already damaged- but instead does about the same damage as a storm fist melee and after connection sends the target flying away at a significant speed. In this case, if the target were to fly into a wall, the wall would also do some damage - if the target has low armor stats it might kill. This ability could be pretty useful as it has a similar surprise affect as shoulder charge, can push the enemy out of shotgunning range since that is the [b]most[/b] likely scenario a sliding Titan would be in for it to work, and has the ability to knock the enemy off their aim thus saving you or a teammate who might've been killed otherwise. To give a more specific scenario, imagine a game of trials. [i]Your teammate runs around the map to come up from the side to kill one of the enemies. He/she doesn't realize that the others are with said enemy until it's too late and just goes in for it. You and your other team member plan to rush in after he uses the charge. Now your teammate could either A) use a regular shoulder charge or B) use the slide shoulder charge. If he goes with choice A, he succeeds in killing the enemy and then dies. After the kill, the enemy team notices the rush and tries to counter it with the advantage of having the orb of their teammate. If he goes with choice B, he does considerable damage to one of them and sends them out of the safety their teammates. He dies but in return his teammates can kill the enemy that was separated. At that point if the enemy tries to counter they have to either group up at their orb, your orb, or separate to cover both. Each of these three possibilities gives the enemy fewer advantages - either choose one orb for both players leaving the other free or decrease their defensive abilities so they can cover both.[/i] There are trade-offs with using this ability which would help shape up the game a little bit..... Or you could remove the sliding charge ability in all. Whichever works. Feel free to add or give constructive criticism to anything I said. Nothing's perfect. And I promise if I think of any other pretty prominent issues with certain abilities or mechanics I'll address those most likely in a different post. Edit 1: Something I just realized is that might suggestion to add a distance requirement based off the agility stat is majorly flawed. Two words: Titan skating. A quick way to resolve that is to include both the timer and the distance requirements. If the Titan ends up skating said distance before the time requirement was met, they have to wait till it is before their ability procs. Otherwise it'll just proc on the distance.

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  • What if everything you ever wanted... WAS TO KICK SHIT IN THE FACE!? FOREVER! THEN YOU NEED PEREGRINE GREAVES!!! PUT THESE SWEET-ASS LEGS ON YOUR TITAN AND YOU WILL F***ING DECIMATE THINGS WITH YOUR POWERFUL KNEES. THEY ARE GEMS. YOU WILL LOOKGLAMOROUS LIKE A STYLISH LADYWHILE YOU KNEE SOMEONE IN THE THROAT SO HARD THEIR TEETH GO FLYING OUT OF THEIR ASSHOLE! YOUR LEGS ARE BEDAZZLED! BEDAZZLED WITH THE STRENGTH OF 1,000 KODIAK BEARS IF KODIAK BEARS GAVE ZERO F***S ABOUT GRAVITY AND EVOLVED TO DO SWEET JUMPKICKS! YOU WILL SET YOUR CHILD ON YOUR KNEE TO GIVE HIM SOUND FATHERLY ADVICE AND THAT CHILD WILL F***ING EXPLODE BECAUSE YOUR KNEES ARE INSTANT DEATH! YOUR SON WILL DIE!YOUR WIFE WILL DIVORCE YOU! YOU WILL DIE ALONE ATOP THE MOUNTAIN OF CORPSES YOU'VE LEFT IN YOUR WAKE AS YOUR LIFE DISSOLVES INTO A NIGHTMARISH HELLSCAPE OF VIOLENCE AND DEPRAVITY! YOU WILL TAKE PEREGRINE GREAVES INTO THE CRUCIBLE AND YOU WILLMASSACRE PEOPLE! YOU WILL F*** THEM UP! YOU WILL KNEE BLADEDANCERS!DENIED! GET THAT BUTTERKNIFE THE F*** OUT OF HERE! YOU WILL KNEE RADIANT WARLOCKSAND CAUSE THEM TO WEEP RADIANT TEARS! YOU WILL KNEE GOLDEN GUNSLINGERS...CAREFULLY.... YOU WILL KNEE OTHER TITANS IN THEIR BUBBLES, DIVING INTO THEIR NEON DISCO DANCE PARTIES BLIND AS SHITAND MURDERING THEM WITH YOURENERGY LEGS! IT IS YOUR BUBBLE NOW SO FU*** THAT GU---wait, shit...THE BUBBLE IS GONE BECAUSE OF YOU GODDAMMIT WHY THE F*** DID YOU DO THAT!? YOU WILL RUIN YOUR K/D LIKE I HAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE ADDICTED TO THE SWEET, SWEET SOUND OF INSTANT AIRBORNE DEATH! YOU WILL CATCH SO MANY SHOTGUN BLASTS TO THE FACEAND IT WILL BE WORTH IT WHEN YOUKNOCK A BLADEDANCER THE F*** OUTBEFORE HE CAN CHOP UP YOUR TEAM!EVERY PAINFUL DEATH WILL BE VALIDATED AS YOUR LEG COLLIDES WITH A FIERY WARLOCK'S FAGGY GOATHAT SO HARD THAT HE'S RENDERED BRAIN-DAMAGED AND HIS FAMILYFIGHTS WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS TOTAKE HIM OFF OF LIFE-SUPPORT! HE WILL LIVE OFF OF TUBES! BECAUSE OFTEXAAAAAAS! PEREGRINE GREEAAAAAAAAAAVES!!!

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    • So the assumptions have stopped coming. Alright.

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    • Thanks for taking it upon yourself to fix shoulder charge, armchair developer! The majority of Titans are terrible at shoulder charge so it's not a problem. There are a few that are very skilled with shoulder charge but they're relying on MK 44s and an elite controller/bumper jumper. And even then all you need most of the time is some situational awareness and a shotgun. There are times, however, where there is nothing you can do and you know what? Boo -blam!-ing hoo. Accept it and move on.

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      • What if everything you ever wanted... WAS TO KICK EVERYTHING IN THE FACE!? FOREVER! THEN YOU NEED PEREGRINE GREAVES!!! PUT THESE SWEET LEGS ON YOUR TITAN AND YOU WILL DECIMATE THINGS WITH YOUR POWERFUL KNEES. THEY ARE GEMS. YOU WILL LOOK GLAMOROUS LIKE A STYLISH LADY WHILE YOU KNEE SOMEONE IN THE THROAT SO HARD THEIR TEETH GO THROUGH THEIR SKULL! YOUR LEGS ARE BEDAZZLED! BEDAZZLED WITH THE STRENGTH OF 1,000 KODIAK BEARS IF KODIAK BEARS CARED ABOUT GRAVITY AND EVOLVED TO DO SWEET JUMPKICKS! YOU WILL SET YOUR CHILD ON YOUR KNEE TO GIVE HIM SOUND FATHERLY ADVICE ANDTHAT CHILD WILL EXPLODE BECAUSE YOUR KNEES ARE INSTANT DEATH! YOUR SON WILL DIE! YOUR WIFE WILL DIVORCE YOU! YOU WILL DIE ALONE ATOP THE MOUNTAIN OF CORPSES YOU'VE LEFT IN YOUR WAKE AS YOUR LIFE DISSOLVES INTO A NIGHTMARISH HELLSCAPE OF VIOLENCE AND DEPRAVITY! YOU WILL TAKE PEREGRINE GREAVES INTO THE CRUCIBLE AND YOU WILL MASSACRE PEOPLE! YOU WILL KILL THEM ALL! YOU WILL KNEE BLADEDANCERS! DENIED! GET THAT BUTTERKNIFE THE HECK OUT OF HERE! YOU WILL KNEE RADIANT WARLOCKS AND CAUSE THEM TO WEEP RADIANT TEARS! YOU WILL KNEE GOLDEN GUNSLINGERS...CAREFULLY.... YOU WILL KNEE OTHER TITANS IN THEIR BUBBLES, DIVING INTO THEIR NEON DISCO DANCE PARTIES BLIND AND MURDER THEM WITH YOUR ENERGY LEGS! IT IS YOUR BUBBLE NOW SO THAT GU---wait, THE BUBBLE IS GONE BECAUSE OF YOU!? WHY THE HECK DID YOU DO THAT!? YOU WILL RUIN YOUR K/D LIKE I HAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE ADDICTED TO THE SWEET, SWEET SOUND OF INSTANT AIRBORNE DEATH! YOU WILL CATCH SO MANY SHOTGUN BLASTS TO THE FACE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT WHEN YOU KNOCK A BLADEDANCER OUT BEFORE HE CAN CHOP UP YOUR TEAM! EVERY PAINFUL DEATH WILL BE VALIDATED AS YOUR LEG COLLIDES WITH A FIERY WARLOCK'S GOAT HAT SO HARD THAT HE'S RENDERED BRAIN-DAMAGED AND HIS FAMILY FIGHTS WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS TO TAKE HIM OFF OF LIFE-SUPPORT! HE WILL LIVE OFF OF TUBES! BECAUSE OF TEXAAAAAAS! PEREGRINE GREEAAAAAAAAAAVES!!!

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        • Trump must've been here cause all I see is a really big wall.

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          • Seeing that your highest character is a hunter, Im guessing that you got Peregrine Greave'd while Bladedancing.

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            • I'm getting so sick and tired of everybody and their mother complaining about every little super and sub-class and ability in the freaking game instead of calling for a nerf you have a bunch of different options 1 stop playing the game 2 get over it 3 find a way to fight it I don't even use my shoulder charge because every time I even try to I come around the corner and I either get shotgun or while I'm about to hit somebody i get shotgun and it cancels out my shoulder charge why does everybody constantly have to complain about every thing in this game just because you know Bungie will constantly do something about it to shut up the people whining which ends up ruining something and causing more problems for something else that people are just going to complain about I mean for god sakes it even states in the lure of the game that the Titans are meant to be the tanks of the game and people just constantly complain when we actually do some damage

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              • [quote](Fine, if no one is going to care about what I have to say because my title wasn't controversial enough then I'll change it. [b]It is now changed[/b])[/quote] I agree with this so much. When I post something snarky or inflammatory, it gets tons of attention. When I write something well thought out, or a bit more esoteric, falls off the board in a few hours. This place is flabbergastingly fickle.

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                • http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-06-16&end=2016-06-25&mode=10&activity=0 Check the stats. Titans have the least amount of ability kills than any class by at least 3x!!! So that means with grenades, shoulder charge, and regular melee, they get at most 1/3 the kills a hunter gets with abilites. Quit your bitching, quit hardscoping, and get good!!

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                  • The players of Destiny need to change and stop crying and being so pathetic

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                    • I actually like this, thanks for putting effort into this post instead of only crying nerf.

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                      • Ok and hunters have shadestep, cloaking, a gun that can one shot. Warlocks have resurrection, a splitting nova bomb, and very high recovery. Your point? My point, every subclass has different special abilities. I don't know how many times I have died while trying to shoulder charge somebody. Not my fault you weren't able to outplay a Titan, warlock, or hunter.

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                        • Here's how I feel about the change you suggested [spoiler]idgaf[/spoiler]

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                          • It's little bitches like you that make bungie nerf every thing in this game that is good so shut up and play stop -blam!-ing bitching

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                            • I want more people to come here and assume! Come on guys. Do it. Prove my point on the bias of these forums.

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                              • Come check out my post regarding strikers. I've been mulling this over for a while now and I have important things to say. [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/207601251?sort=0&page=0[/url]

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                              • Better yet, why don't we nerf every single ability and weapon in the game until players no longer have the ability to fight each other anymore? Then we can all go into crucible, and trials, and the iron banner and we'll all have big dance parties for the entire duration of every match. #QuitComplaining

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                                • They should make shoulder charge be able to go through multiple people.

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                                  • Mmmmmm the assumptions taste so good.

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                                  • How is it cowardly if he/she is running straight at you?

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                                    • Not needed

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                                      • Yawn.... Reaching for coffee.

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                                      • Sliding shoulder charge does need to be fixed but adding a distance traveling timer would severley hurt the ability.

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                                        • Just because you suck doesn't mean anything is OP or broken. Stop whining like a petulant child. It's you and nubs like you that have been ruining this game with your endless whining and crying for nerfs. There's better players than you in this world and there always will be. Learn to accept it and move on.

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                                          • anytime i get killed by it by someone who is relying on it, i figure they cant play destiny and thats their only shot at doing well in a match.

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                                            • What I got from this When a striker hits a wall cancel sprint

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