I'm going to create a very basic situation to define the boundaries of discussion.
Person A crosses the U.S. border without documentation. This is illegal. Person A is now correctly designated as an illegal immigrant.
It is yet to be determined if Person A is a criminal (aside from their illegal status). For all we know, Person A could be a pacifist genius.
Now, should Person A be deported? Why or why not?
Truthfully, you shouldn't need to know the character of a person to make this decision. Too often I see either side of the debate try and use examples of illegal immigrants acting benevolently or malevolently. To me, those arguments don't hold any weight.
The reason is simple. Laws must be enforced by violence. It's a fundamental part of state authority. Now, Libertarians are more than aware of this. The nature of the law is violent. If you break the law, no matter how insignificant your offense was, a man with a gun and a badge can [i]always[/i] get involved.
This doesn't necessarily mean that every police encounter has to be violent. That's [i]far[/i] from a Libertarian idea. However, if somebody enters the nation illegally, they have broken the law. At some point, violence or the threat of violence must come into play. If you enter illegally, you get sent back. You can comply or you can be forcefully ejected.
"But Stallcall, there's arguably better ways to solve an illegal immigration problem. We could give them temporary amnesty or a faster path to citizenship..."
I won't argue that there aren't other options that appear to be more convenient. But to me, it's irrelevant. Here's why:
If we remove the threat of violence from a particular law, but not others, then violence perpetrated by the state becomes arbitrary. In essence, we as a society say, "Some rules are worth enforcing, others are not." Keep in mind that the previous examples of amnesty and paths to citizenship would mean the law is [i]not[/i] enforced.
TL;DR As a Libertarian, I do not support arbitrary violence. It's the fact that violence must be used that makes it important to keep laws as just as possible. I support deportation in this hypothetical situation.
What are [i]your[/i] thoughts on deportation?
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23% of people are idiots. Borders exist for an extremely important reason. People from different areas have a very hard time coexisting and this leads to a shit ton of violence, lack of social cohesion, more crime and just general unproductivity.
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3 RepliesGive an ultimatum: Turn in yourself [i]and[/i] apply for citizenship (you won't be deported, but must show requirements for being a citizen, and must also have a job) to receive amnesty. Or You will be found and deported.
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2 RepliesDeportation is just a massive waste. But for the love of god, illegal immigrants shouldn't have access to any sort of state welfare.
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yes, come here legally or stay the -blam!- out. want a better life? save up and come here legally.
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6 RepliesEdited by Guardian7649: 5/1/2016 7:27:54 PMWhy does anyone need papers to walk on a piece of land? It's a really stupid concept.
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2 RepliesDeporting all the immigrants would be too expensive
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3 RepliesI would say no. Many people come here for better lives and may not have the opportunity to come here legally, just look at some of the people coming from Mexico, for example.
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1 ReplySo you don't have a problem with your tax dollars being used on this, I see. Tell me, how exactly would this person be found and deported?
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6 RepliesNo, just conquer Mexico. That way they're now citizens.
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I believe everyone deserves a chance to go to another country. What I do not believe in is somebody being there without the legal consent of said nation.
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1 ReplyWe need to build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it. [spoiler]this is just the beginning[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyAsylum seekers? No. Anyone else? Yes.
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I completely agree with you. I myself am Republican though.
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It doesn't have to be a massive manhunt. Just maintain deportations like they were in previous presidential administration's that actually followed the law where people who get picked up or pointed out are deported. Maybe ramp it up a bit. And add in actual border security so we can stop illegals from entering, as well as catching cartels. The problem will work itself out as long as we maintain border security.
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Do I support throwing criminals back where they came from? YES
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3 RepliesI stopped reading when I saw laws must be enforced by violence. Lost all the respect I wasn't giving you.
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2 RepliesOf course. We need to strengthen the border, deport current illegals, but also make it easier for legal immigration to occur.
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1 ReplyNo. That's racist.
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Edited by Ace: 5/1/2016 7:07:44 AMThere is a fine line between legal and illegal immigration. Legal immigration is good and people take time to legally become a citizen. Illegals are just a leech on any country.
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1 ReplyBefore today I was all about deportation of illegals. But i just leveled a back yard and sodded the mutha -blam!-er and damn...I think they should be allowed to stay if they fill a monthly work quota.
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They should come here legally
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1 ReplyWhat's so bad about immigration?
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14 RepliesEdited by Britton: 4/30/2016 10:57:59 PMDeportation is necessary. However, it still must be done constitutionally. We don't just ignore the Constitution so we can round up people whom fit a profile and deport them.
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1 ReplyI think it would be a major waste of time and funding to round up every single illegal in the country. I think we should ramp up boarder security and all that and then give all the illegals currently in the country 4 years to make themselves known. If the only crime they've committed is coming over the boarder illegelly, that should be pardoned and they should be given a work visa. Then, after 4 years we work on rounding up all the people who didn't step forward (the criminals). I just think the situation is too far gone to warrant kicking a decent chunk of our workforce out of the country. And of course during and after those4 years we could heavily crack down on those still trying to enter illegally.
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Well.. I mean if they're illegal..
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>Deport illegal Fine that makes sense But many migrants are seen as illegal when they have legal vistas. Another large issue Is the fact that those of Hispanic and South American descent are the faces of illegal immigration. I currently live in a town that can't even become a city (we tried to get enough signatures) but many were thrown out because many of our asian citizens aren't documented and denied our signaturs. Where is the talk of the asian communities? There are illegals from Europe too what about that? It's the root cause I don't support of American migration In most countries id support but In America I don't because the underlying reason is racial targeting. There is always a scape goat. If it can't be the blacks anymore it's the Hispanics. Then many of the idiots saying "no (offers defense)" believes everyone is Mexican not Brazilian or anything. Make citizenship eaiser. There are plenty of documented migrants that aren't citizens because the path to citizenship is too long. Fortunately I read a month ago many are finally applying for citizenship just to vote against trump (they will likely be too late this cycle but next cycle we will see)