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4/12/2016 9:02:36 PM
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Im pretty sure the emperor could have -blam!-ed anything up in his prime, as in before Horus crippled him, even then i doubt iron man could survive shit like the K'tan or a chaos demon, or a tyranid assault, or a grey knight strike force, or a Tau cadre. Literally everything in 40k is designed to be over the top.
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  • Edited by Edcub One: 4/12/2016 11:13:03 PM
    Iron man survived a black hole. http://m.imgur.com/a/h7hq3 As long as he is outside of the warp he is virtually unbeatable.

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  • Edited by joeeeeeeeeee357: 4/13/2016 6:33:43 AM
    Let's do some math here. It is estimated that there are 'many billion' members of the imperial guard army by the lexicanum, which I will interpret to mean 3 billion, with 'millions of new recruits each day. Now let's assume that iron man can kill one guardsmen a minute on average, which is very generous considering how dispersed amongst the galaxy they are. It would take him 95 years, in which case they would replenish 69 billion guardsmen assuming no population growth and no other conflicts. Iron man would need to find some way to artificially extend his lifespan without his labs or any of his tech to survive long enough to dent the Astra military's, and that's not even factoring in the time it takes him to travel around the Galaxy. There's also the other 9 factions in 40k. Not only that but he has to go through nearly a million space marines and the warp itself to beat 40k, and he's facing warriors with hundreds of years worth of experience. Iron Man doesn't stand a chance, regardless of if he survived a black hole. Also he faces a catch 22 situation when it comes to not starving, if he were to eat something he would have to expose himself to the environment, which would likely cause him to get numerous diseases which could kill him as he hasn't been immunised and has no medial support, but if he deals himself off from the environment he would starve to death. Edit: did my math wrong, one a minute would be 2,700 years

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  • He doesn't have to take off his suit to survive as the suit sustains him. Iron man will be killing millions of Guardsmen per day, all he has to do is destroy all the Warhammer worlds if he is especially ruthless, he can also just build a army of Iron Men to help.

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  • Destroying millions a day doesn't account for the time it would take him to move between planets, also the guardsmen recruit millions a day so he won't even be denting a single faction. He would have to use the suit itself to fly between planets, I don't know how fast it would be but I can't imagine it would be fast enough for him to cover anything more than 10% of the Galaxy in his lifetime. And it's pretty obvious he won't be able to use the warp to fast travel so guardsmen can outmanoeuvre him in terms of galactic travel.

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  • He has speed that allows hit to travel with the garudiauns of the galaxy, so he can cover great distances. Anyways he can just reverse engineer Iom computer tech and then using the information go blow up for conquer Terra and the other major worlds. So the IOM will fall, and most of the other factions will meet a similar fate.

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  • -If he's killing millions of guardians a day when will he have the time to reverse engineer iom tech. -no matter how op he is theres no way he could conquer terra, it has thousands of ships in orbit and a massive force of elite warriors on the ground -The suit might protect from the environment but i fail to see how he could be taking on millions of guardsmen, which usually come accompanied by armoured divisions and artillery without suffering a single hole in the suit, and a single hole would be fatal. -the other factions include chaos and dark eldar, which exist in alternate dimensions practically inaccessible to iron man, so how could he stop them.

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  • [quote]-If he's killing millions of guardians a day when will he have the time to reverse engineer iom tech. ----- He can stop. ----- -no matter how op he is theres no way he could conquer terra, it has thousands of ships in orbit and a massive force of elite warriors on the ground ----- Prove they could harm him. ----- -The suit might protect from the environment but i fail to see how he could be taking on millions of guardsmen, which usually come accompanied by armoured divisions and artillery without suffering a single hole in the suit, and a single hole would be fatal. ----- He can withstand attacks that can destroy Jupiter size planets. Nothing will faze him. ----- -the other factions include chaos and dark eldar, which exist in alternate dimensions practically inaccessible to iron man, so how could he stop them.[/quote] Did you read the thread? I already have shown he can travel to alternate dimensions.

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  • [quote]he can stop[/quote] He'd have to be killing 23 a second to keep up the millions a day target, i doubt he'd be able to stop [quote]prove they could harm him[/quote] Nova cannons can fire projectiles near the speed of light, and according to a book i read about space wolves can hit anything below 12000 km per hour, and a direct hit from a near lightspeed projectile would obliterate just about anything. [quote]he can withstand attacks that can destroy jupiter size planets[/quote] Im pretty sure i remember his suit being damaged in the iron man or avengers movies so the damage he can take is inconsistent. Even if he could travel to the warp he wouldn't stand a chance in there.

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  • Edited by Edcub One: 4/13/2016 6:26:26 PM
    [quote][quote]he can stop[/quote] He'd have to be killing 23 a second to keep up the millions a day target, i doubt he'd be able to stop ----- Why does he have to kill any of them? He can just kill of the leadership and let the other factions kill off the IOM, or send other remote controlled iron men to do it for him. ----- [quote]prove they could harm him[/quote] Nova cannons can fire projectiles near the speed of light, and according to a book i read about space wolves can hit anything below 12000 km per hour, and a direct hit from a near lightspeed projectile would obliterate just about anything. ----- Warhammer firepower is variable. But surviving a black hole is more impressive then surviving billions of those shots. ----- [quote]he can withstand attacks that can destroy jupiter size planets[/quote] Im pretty sure i remember his suit being damaged in the iron man or avengers movies so the damage he can take is inconsistent. Even if he could travel to the warp he wouldn't stand a chance in there.[/quote] ----- This is comic book iron man, actually read the op.

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  • I didn't see where it said comic book iron man Doesn't change that iron man couldn't survive the warp or a near light speed projectile

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  • Edited by Edcub One: 4/13/2016 7:31:11 PM
    It says 616 all new all different iron man. I showed you feats that demonstrate iron man possessing durability to withstand black holes and planet busting attacks, he can withstand a few mega/giga tons of energy.

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  • How would he survive the warp? How could he permanently destroy a chaos demon, how would he breach the void shield of an emperor Titan? the planet is undetermined so he could land anywhere, the centre of terra, a farm or a crone world. Also it's physically impossible for any earth based material to survive a direct collision with any object near light speed, and as the iron man suit is built of earth based material it is impossible for iron man to survive the shot, unless overtly stated in the comic.

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  • [quote]How would he survive the warp? ------ He never has to go there. ------ How could he permanently destroy a chaos demon, ------ Block them with pylons. ------ how would he breach the void shield of an emperor Titan? ------ Shoot it. ------ the planet is undetermined so he could land anywhere, the centre of terra, a farm or a crone world. ------ The OP said nobody would discover the world for a month. ------ Also it's physically impossible for any earth based material to survive a direct collision with any object near light speed, ------ Iron man uses comic science. ------ and as the iron man suit is built of earth based material it is impossible for iron man to survive the shot, unless overtly stated in the comic.[/quote] ------ Feats are feats, as long as they don't break setting they are fine.

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  • He may not have a choice in going to the warp, a portal could suck him in if a chaos incursion were to happen, though this is admittedly unlikely. If the planet is undiscovered for a month it probably wouldn't have the anti chaos pylons on them, and since the imperium hasn't been able to reverse engineer any technology from them since discovering them thousands of years ago i doubt stark could either. What weapon could break an emperor titans shield that he possesses, they can withstand direct hits from volcano cannons, i doubt anything small enough to fit on the iron man suit could cause enough disruption to the shield to take it out. Fair point, he did say that. However 'no one would discover him for a month' could still place him anywhere in the galaxy, op didn't say the planet was uninhabited. Iron man uses comic science but op said the encounter occurs in the Warhammer universe, which largely follows real science, to perform feats of comic science would break setting, if it was the emperor in marvel comic universe i could understand but this is iron man in Warhammer universe.

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  • [quote]He may not have a choice in going to the warp, a portal could suck him in if a chaos incursion were to happen, though this is admittedly unlikely. If the planet is undiscovered for a month it probably wouldn't have the anti chaos pylons on them, and since the imperium hasn't been able to reverse engineer any technology from them since discovering them thousands of years ago i doubt stark could either. ------ Stark makes Warhammer scientist look like cave men bagging rocks, if anyone can, it's him. Also he could just scan it. ------ What weapon could break an emperor titans shield that he possesses, they can withstand direct hits from volcano cannons, i doubt anything small enough to fit on the iron man suit could cause enough disruption to the shield to take it out. ------ He can hurt people like Hulk, he will be able to break the shields of a Titan, or even destroy the planet. ------ Fair point, he did say that. However 'no one would discover him for a month' could still place him anywhere in the galaxy, op didn't say the planet was uninhabited. ------ He will be ready for almost anything by then. ------ Iron man uses comic science but op said the encounter occurs in the Warhammer universe, which largely follows real science, ------ No it doesn't ------- to perform feats of comic science would break setting, if it was the emperor in marvel comic universe i could understand but this is iron man in Warhammer universe.[/quote] ------ The OP did intend for Iron mans stuff to work. Or else there would be no debate.

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  • I didn't see where it said comic book iron man Doesn't change that iron man couldn't survive the warp or a near light speed projectile Also he's not only up against the imperium but all other factions, most of which vehemently hate humans, and the Imperium is so vast at this point that iron man wouldn't do enough to collapse it. Whilst surviving a black hole is impressive it's theories that no material available would be able to sustain a direct hit from a projectile travelling anywhere near the speed of light, and as Warhammer 40k is largely grounded in physics, at least where the warp is not concerned he couldn't survive a nova cannon direct hit, because his suit must logically be made from a material on Earth, which it is. And I don't recall Iron Man surviving a direct hit from a near light speed object in any of the comics.

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  • [quote]I didn't see where it said comic book iron man Doesn't change that iron man couldn't survive the warp or a near light speed projectile ------ He can't survive the warp, but he never has to go there, and he can't withstand that weapon as he has withstood far worse. ------ Also he's not only up against the imperium but all other factions, most of which vehemently hate humans, and the Imperium is so vast at this point that iron man wouldn't do enough to collapse it. ------ Kill off the leadership on terra and the other main worlds. ------ Whilst surviving a black hole is impressive it's theories that no material available would be able to sustain a direct hit from a projectile travelling anywhere near the speed of light, ------ Because? ------ and as Warhammer 40k is largely grounded in physics, ------ ......no, it is one of the least realistic sci fis there is. ------ ------ at least where the warp is not concerned he couldn't survive a nova cannon direct hit, because his suit must logically be made from a material on Earth, which it is. And I don't recall Iron Man surviving a direct hit from a near light speed object in any of the comics.[/quote] ------ He survived planet busting attacks, so he will be fine, now proof it is powerful enough to hurt him.

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  • What makes you think he would be able to take out the leadership of the imperium? not only is it not entirely centred on Terra but as long as the emperor lives, the imperium stands, in the Horus heresy books the emperor is able to withstand any physical blow, only able to be harmed by warp energy. The energy generated by a light speed collision is enough to break through most known materials, iron mans suit is made of known materials as far as I know. The problem is with him surviving planet busting attacks is that it's not possible for tech like that to survive planet busting attacks in the Warhammer universe. As a result iron man is dictated by physics that don't exist in the Warhammer universe. Due to the nature of the iron man suit being practically archaic in 40k it only makes sense that the tech 38,000 years on would be more advanced. If marvel science applied then the space marine suit would be nigh impenetrable, and if Warhammer science is applied the iron man suit is as useful as a suit made of paper. To pit iron man against Warhammer in an arena where they aren't governed by the same ruleset doesn't really make sense. Also I'm going to bed now so don't expect a reply for the next few hours.

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  • Iron mans armor and warhammer tech will work normally.

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  • [quote]What makes you think he would be able to take out the leadership of the imperium? not only is it not entirely centred on Terra but as long as the emperor lives, the imperium stands, in the Horus heresy books the emperor is able to withstand any physical blow, only able to be harmed by warp energy. ----- If he wipes out the terra leadership, the IOM will be in disarray, and the other factions will crush them in their weakness. ----- The energy generated by a light speed collision is enough to break through most known materials, iron mans suit is made of known materials as far as I know. The problem is with him surviving planet busting attacks is that it's not possible for tech like that to survive planet busting attacks in the Warhammer universe. ----- I will have the OP clarify. ----- As a result iron man is dictated by physics that don't exist in the Warhammer universe. Due to the nature of the iron man suit being practically archaic in 40k it only makes sense that the tech 38,000 years on would be more advanced. If marvel science applied then the space marine suit would be nigh impenetrable, ------ We assume their respective physics don't interact. ------ and if Warhammer science is applied the iron man suit is as useful as a suit made of paper. To pit iron man against Warhammer in an arena where they aren't governed by the same ruleset doesn't really make sense. Also I'm going to bed now so don't expect a reply for the next few hours.[/quote] ----- Ok

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  • This argument started over a day ago and by know it's become obvious that neither of us are going to admit the others right. It's probably worth just admitting defeat just to end this. Thanks for keeping it civil.

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  • Edited by Edcub One: 4/14/2016 4:31:14 PM
    Ok, thank you as well. :)

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  • -blam!-ing christ you really like Iron Man huh?

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  • I don't like people saying things that are not true.

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