I disagree with you completely. I help a lot of people on destiny. I'm currently helping 2 players who had only ever done VOG once. I picked em up at 280 light and we currently have them up to 310 light by helping them threw raid each week. I am all for helping others but when I help these guys they are improving and learning mechanics at same time increasing there experience and skill as we go. Getting carried in pvp teaches the player getting carried nothing. Well it teaches them to sit on there Arse and do nothing and get max rewards. If you not good enough to get to lighthouse with your buds you don't deserve to be there. I struggle to get to the lighthouse bcos I play with my bro and Cous and we are decent players but when you have to contend with lag and really good pvp players it's a struggle. But at least we earned the right to be there. People who get carried have no shame really.
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[quote]I disagree with you completely. I help a lot of people on destiny. I'm currently helping 2 players who had only ever done VOG once. I picked em up at 280 light and we currently have them up to 310 light by helping them threw raid each week. I am all for helping others but when I help these guys they are improving and learning mechanics at same time increasing there experience and skill as we go. Getting carried in pvp teaches the player getting carried nothing. Well it teaches them to sit on there Arse and do nothing and get max rewards. If you not good enough to get to lighthouse with your buds you don't deserve to be there. I struggle to get to the lighthouse bcos I play with my bro and Cous and we are decent players but when you have to contend with lag and really good pvp players it's a struggle. But at least we earned the right to be there. People who get carried have no shame really.[/quote] You assume people you carried through VoG and other raids are getting better based on your own observations. You then make a baseless claim that people who get carried in PvP aren't getting better and they just "sit on THEIR arse and do nothing." I'm sorry, but nothing you said negates anything I said. Two sherpas carrying a weak player were likely going to beat their competition anyway. If nothing else, it shows the skill level of players who can create their own handicap and still win. Do not start whining about "earning" your rewards this game. It comes off as petty and childish. You have no more "right" to lighthouse rewards than people getting carried. People who cry about the actions of other players "have no shame really," especially if no one is cheating or cheesing.
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There's no assumption at all fella. The two raiders I'm helping could not do anything really on there 1st and 2nd raid and on the 3rd there confidence and knowledge had built to a level were we could progress threw raid with less and less instruction. Now to me that is getting better and making progress. So it's based on fact I think you will find. Now as for the scrub who got carried,challenge them to run with somebody of there friends list and see if they can make lighthouse. The reason they reach out to great pvp players like RealKraftyy etc etc is bcos there two much of a dead weight to the average pvp player. So again based on fact. So il state again,if you can't pull your own weight and earn your lighthouse trip you don't deserve to be there in my opinion.
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I acknowledged that you could observe the guys you were helping are getting better, perhaps I didn't word it well. But you are absolutely making assumptions that people getting carried in ToO aren't getting better or at least learning tactics. Why is it that it's acceptable for you to teach someone the ropes and they can get better, but if someone got carried through ToO then they are a scrub who has no interest in getting better or carrying their own weight? You just seem seriously, seriously salty about people being carried in ToO. I have no doubt that there are some assclowns out there who fit the description you laid out. I also have no doubt that those assclowns don't account for everyone who has ever been carried. Quit looking at the negative assholes and try to see the positive players who were able to get to the Lighthouse. You can't possibly know everyone who was ever carried but you sure like to make assumptions like you do.
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Ps pvp is live play,you could teach a monkey how to do a raid and work out the raid mechanics. Mechanics stay the same. Pvp is live play were anything can happen. You don't get better by watching somebody else do good. You need to get out there yourself and experience it.
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[quote]Ps pvp is live play,you could teach a [url=/en/help/?search=monkey]monkey[/url] how to do a raid and work out the raid mechanics. Mechanics stay the same. Pvp is live play were anything can happen. You don't get better by watching somebody else do good. You need to get out there yourself and experience it.[/quote] Literally, not true. Not at all.
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I'm not salty at all. Do you want me to be salty? I don't agree with people getting carried. Instead of people seeking out a free ride to the lighthouse to claim loot they didn't deserve why don't they play crucible more to increase there skill set. Playing once with a streamer doing all the donkey work will learn you nothing. Go out yourself and learn the maps and build the skill level like I had to do. Then I went to trials and earned my loot the hard way. It's pay to win basically because you have the sub Sunday's etc etc.
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[quote]I'm not salty at all. Do you want me to be salty? I don't agree with people getting carried. Instead of people seeking out a free ride to the lighthouse to claim loot they didn't deserve why don't they play crucible more to increase there skill set. Playing once with a streamer doing all the [url=/en/help/?search=donkey]donkey[/url] work will learn you nothing. Go out yourself and learn the maps and build the skill level like I had to do. Then I went to trials and earned my loot the hard way. It's pay to win basically because you have the sub Sunday's etc etc.[/quote] I've decided I'm done with you. You're too whiny and you feel entitled to tell other people how they should enjoy their game. Piss off. Muted.
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Wow dont get yourself so heavily involved in silly topic. People are allowed there opinion. I respect what you say but don't agree. You've called me names like 'salty' etc when you don't know how I feel. You would be better staying off the forums if you can't debate like an adult with reason! You lash out like a child would.