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The Origins and Agenda of Mara Sov part 2

Calcified Fragments: Insight [quote]Verse 5:9 — I'll Make Sure. I have made preparations. If I am defeated I know it will be because my understanding of the universe was incomplete. I failed to anticipate some strategy, some nemesis. (Perhaps Taox, if she still lives.) If I am defeated, I know that I will fall to something mighty. Something that craves might, something that loves what I love, which is the Deep, a principle and a power, the versatile, protean need to adapt and endure, to reach out and shape the universe entirely for that purpose, to mutate and redesign and test and iterate so that it can prevail, can seize existence and hold it, certain that this is everything, that there is nothing to life except living. And it has two faces, yet it is one shape. One face is the objective, which is obvious, and the other face is that will to sacrifice things and ideas for a single mission, the mission of becoming the shape, a shape that will not relent, the utter commitment to survival, to draw the right sword and choose where to cut: to allow this hunger to become your weapon. So I will prepare a book, which is a map to a weapon. And my vanquisher will read that book, seeking the weapon, and they will come to understand me, where I have been and where I was going. And then they will take up my weapon, and they will use it, they will use that weapon, which is all that I am. And armed thus with my past, and my future, and my present (which is a weapon, a weapon that takes whatever is available, a weapon bound to malice), they will mantle me, Oryx, the Taken King. They will become me and I will become them, each of us defeating the other, correcting the other, alloying ourselves into one omnipotent philosophy. Thus I will live forever. I’ll make sure.[/quote] Oryx grows to understand that his life is not truly eternal, he will fight and consume Light feeding his Worm until someone stops him, and by his own Logic that person will therefore be greater and more vicious. He left behind these fragments for that one to find, to create the Touch of Malice, literally from the remnants of his own, the Blade of Famine comes directly from the Warpriest and now sits at the nose of our scout. The Shroud of Ir Anuk covers it, and the Ravenous Heart, a fraction piece of Oryx’s own heart, sits protected in a gyroscope at the center. When we fire the Blight inside grows, and when we get to the final round it feeds on our Light, and using the other pieces we used to make it, best described by ClickSpaceBait of the Collective of Knowledge here, it replenishes our ammo. This allows us to fire eternally, at the cost of our Light and life. By creating this weapon, we are binding Oryx forever to the gun. He will live, but never again as he once was. We broke him, and made him perfect. So why exactly would Eris, and therefore Mara, want us to ensure Oryx was kept alive in such a state? Well… Let’s actually go to the first time we hear about the Awoken, A Stranger’s Call. After taking out a decent amount of Vex the Exo Stranger appears to us. She talks about how the Vex are born in the Black Garden and how we need to stop them. But not knowing where to go our Ghost says we’ll have to see the Awoken. This causes our new friend to chime in with a rather curious response. [quote]Ah, yes. The Awoken. Out there, wavering between the Light and the Dark.[/quote] What exactly could she have meant by that? No doubt Mara has been helping us survive, the two easiest ways to let the Darkness win and she single handedly stops it! How could she be “wavering” between the Dark and Light then? Don’t think of it as wavering between evil and good. Think of it as origins. Born in Dark, and wanting the Light, maybe even being unsure if it’s truly right, but knowing full well that the Dark is wrong. So the Awoken waver, between the Light and the Dark, between the Traveler...and the Deep. It doesn’t take much to understand that Mara isn’t natural. She’s far more than anything we’ve seen. What could make her, and only her so special? When we, reborn in Light aren’t even at that power? Where does her cunning come from? Her strive? Her Harbingers? As I said, this whole theory really fell into place after replaying the mission The Coming War. Mara has dialogue in the opening cutscenes here that really solidify the theory. To clarify she is talking to Eris, showing further that they are working together. [quote]I remember everything about the day i was born. I still bear the scars. The Awoken are my family now. And I am their Queen. We fought to keep our beautiful creation safe. And now this beast has come, claiming to be King… Mara Sov bows to no one. You and I know how this ends. We’ve known since you escaped from that… pit. The Awoken have played their part. This… was all part of the plan. Guide them my Hidden friend. It’s all up to you now.[/quote] So… This is it isn’t it? The part where it all falls into place? The part where you see why I believe Mara Sov is actually Savathûn, mother morph of Sathona, cunning sister of Oryx. Look into the dialogue shown above, this is where I will first show you my reasoning, and then I’ll bring in various other cards to further prove the point. [quote]I remember the day I was born. I still bear the scars.[/quote] As seen in just the beginning of the Books of Sorrow the life of the young Xi Ro, Sathona, and Aurash was rough. These were the last surviving children of the Osmium King, many likely taken by the Stormjoy and their Bait Stars. [quote]The Awoken are my family now. And I am their Queen.[/quote] Are...your family...now? They weren’t always? And yet you remember your birth? So it must have been away from the Awoken? [quote]We fought to keep our beautiful creation safe. And now this beast has come, claiming to be King…[/quote] “creation”? uh… what? What did you create? The Harbingers? A force unlike anything else? A force directly from the Void itself? [quote]Mara Sov bows to no one. You and I know how this ends. We’ve known since you escaped from that… pit. The Awoken have played their part. This… was all a part of the plan.[/quote] Such cunning…. So deceitful… [quote]Guide them my Hidden friend. It’s all up to you now.[/quote] All up to Eris Morn now… What exactly did Eris say at the end of Regicide? [quote]My Queen, you were right. The Guardian was the key. For the first time the whispers are silent, it is done. I have accepted my fate. I will not fail.[/quote] Now let’s look at another card. 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  • Could Savathûn possibly take on an Awoken form? That doesn't seem right; she's a massive Hive like Oryx Plus Mara says (twice in my knowledge) that her mother was the Sky and her father was the Deep (Light and Darkness) When the Stranger says they waver between the Light and the Dark, I think she's referring to how the Awoken don't help either side, they just sit in the middle and mind their own business (until Oryx came) and the fact that since Mara claims to be the child of the Sky and Deep, it makes sense for wavering between the sides to occur. We know Savathûn accepted the Deep and is against the Sky, plus she knows her parents, so it makes no sense for her to use Mara's dialogue. Also, she is Oryx's sister and loves him as such, so would definitely side with him. She wouldn't call him a monster or say he claims to be king as Mara does

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  • I think the "I remember everything about the day I was born" could refer to her being "born" into the awoken family. The scars being her... Purple/Blue face I'm probably wrong though

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  • Edited by EyesOfTheCult: 12/20/2015 2:01:30 PM
    Sorry, have to disagree with this part here's why [quote]I remember the day I was born. I still bear the scars.[/quote]As seen in just the beginning of the Books of Sorrow the life of the young Xi Ro, Sathona, and Aurash was rough. These were the last surviving children of the Osmium King, many likely taken by the Stormjoy and their Bait Stars. [I] or maybe during the collapse trying to escape[/i] [quote]The Awoken are my family now. And I am their Queen.[/quote] Are...your family...now? They weren’t always? [i] no, they weren't. She was a human, but no she's not, and the humans aren't here family anymore, they awoken are[/i] And yet you remember your birth? So it must have been away from the Awoken? [I]not necessarily[/i] [quote]We fought to keep our beautiful creation safe. And now this beast has come, claiming to be King…[/quote] “creation”? uh… what? What did you create? The Harbingers? A force unlike anything else? A force directly from the Void itself? [i] the reef. They had broken up ships and they created a civilization out of it. Of course they're gonna protect it [/i] [quote]Mara Sov bows to no one. You and I know how this ends. We’ve known since you escaped from that… pit. The Awoken have played their part. This… was all a part of the plan.[/quote] Such cunning…. So deceitful… [I]yeah, mara is awesome [/i] Let's hear the counter argument...

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    • Bump for lore

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    • The Touch of Malice; Oryx would really hate being this weapon, as this is a weapon wielded by the light against the dark, used to slay enemies of the light that were allied with Oryx. Perhaps Eris made this weapon for us out of malice. Knowing that Oryx may begin to hate his very existence bound to us, as a weapon used against everything he stands for and believes in.

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    • Ok I'm gonna give this a chance but so far that is super out there

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    • Yes! I had exactly the same idea, I'm glad you came up with the same idea.

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    • Edited by Darkwolf: 10/17/2015 8:04:44 PM
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      https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkIBHM275kEFlTBWJsYFekUIXAhA24NOmsajCnM1yZvzllSM9X *Praise be to mara sov*

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      • Anon, I couldn't agree more. I've been arguing these points for sometime now. Thank you for you tireless Lore updates. This deserves much more than a single, small BUMP, but it's all I have to offer

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      • Comment for later

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        • OOOOOHHH YEEEEAAAAHHH!

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        • Edited by Fenrir: 10/17/2015 12:11:00 AM
          I disagree about the opening cut scene's dialogue. It was all pretty straight forward: their "creation" was the Awoken civilization they fostered in the Belt, which is as far away from the Sun as you can get without breaching the territory the Darkness has claimed. (And thus "wavering between the Light and the Dark.") Her apparent "plan" was simply to stall the Dreadnought, while the Guardians prepared to breach it and destroy Oryx. When she says that it was all a part of the plan, her tone and her dramatic pause in-game seems to convey a bit more sadness than deviousness, suggesting to me that it was spoken more to reassure her about her sacrifice.

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        • You're misinterpreting everything i said.

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        • Edited by Robert62: 10/16/2015 8:13:20 PM
          Was Mara the first ruler of the awoken?

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        • Bump

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        • First comment! Notice me senpai!

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