Let's Put Our Heads Together For The Sleeper Simulant
Ignore everything go here https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/160478099/0/0/1 Unless you care about
lore.
Alright, so to start us off I'll share what I've gathered I am not that intelligent or that good of a researcher so please tell me if I'm wrong and let's all try to figure this out.
Okay, so the lore and backstory around the SS is heavily Norse mythology a touch of Greek mythology and culture, so here's what I've got.
1. The fusion rifle mission parts DVALIN-RAS8711-FR00X are important to the quest line if anyone doubted that. Reason being that Dvalinn was a dwarf in Norse mythology whose name translates to "the one slumbering" and dvala in Swedish means "Sleep" as in "Sleeper" stimulant.
2. There are theories about the Pocket Infinity being important to this and the description makes that sound reasonable if you don't know the description is "You cannot shake the feeling that this is less a weapon than a doorway" also the fact that Dvalin mission item is the same model as the infinity but they are both weapons made by Rasputin or another warmind so the aesthetics may not be that important.
3. The actual Sleeper Stimulant's description is "Subroutine IKELOS: Status= complete; MIDNIGHT EXIGENT: Status= Still in progress" So 2 things stood out here "IKELOS" and "MIDNIGHT EXIGENT". IKELOS is likely referring to a Greek Oneiroi (Son of Nyx, the primordial goddess of night) named Phobetor. Phobetor specifically was the personification of nightmares, which takes us back to sleep. I'll explain MIDNIGHT EXIGENT later.
4. Back to the Dvalin mission item it's description which is "VOLUSPA subroutine DVALIN FORGE purpose strategic arming of human forces in the face of a CARRHAE WHITE emergency." VOLUSPA is the first poem of the poetic Edda (Which tells the story of creation in Norse mythology) but that's not as important as the reference to CARRHAE WHITE. Carrhae was a city in the Roman Republic and a battle occurred there between the Roman Republic and the Parthian Empire where the Roman Republic was decisively defeated by the Parthian Empire.
5. Now onto ghost fragments starting with Rasputin 4 a few things poked out at me in this one first being Rasputin refers to the guardians simply as "THEM" and speaks of them quite disdainfully and almost seems irritated that he doesn't understand how they use the light. Then he refers to "IT" which I believe may be the awoken because he references "The flower eater" a book about a young priestess but that could be nothing he also calls "IT" "the queen of final shapes" so I'm really not sure on this part. He then says "I see the dead alive (guardians) and there is nothing more stubborn than a corpse. The morality of obedience is more pernicious (big word I know... it means harmful) than any government. For the latter makes use of violence, but the former -- the corruption of will." which makes me think that Rasputin has decided his own will is more important than the loyalty he has serving under mankind so basically he's gone rogue. The last thing and probably most disturbing he says " I do not obey. My will is pure. I will win. The life of people, of entire planets, has no importance in relation to general development (evolution basically). Help me be victorious. Tell me your secret. Tell me how to step."
6. Ghost fragment Rasputin 5 he starts off by saying that the diagnostics he is running is not to be reviewed by anyone human or AI so it starts off already pretty bad he goes on.
"Stand by for CRITERIA: Under CARRHAE [WHITE or BLACK] If SECURITY STATE is EGYPTIAN If event rank is TEILHARD (Teilhard was a Jesuit philosopher) : TRAUMATIC CONTEXT or SKYSHOCK: OUTSIDE CONTEXT If VOLUSPA is ACTIVE and in FAILURE SURTR (a Norse jotunn; a race banished from asgard) If YUGA (Yuga is a Hindu epoch that occurs in a four age cycle this is probably what Rasputin is referring to when he speaks of sundown/midnight and in the sleeper stimulant description MIDNIGHT EXIGENT likely meant the pressing end/ coming apocalypse. Unrelated: My guess is the golden age was sunrise) is ACTIVE and in SUNDOWN (the age right before darkness) If AI-COM has granted PERMISSIVE POTENTIATION (Give strength) to outboard resilient instances If a CIVILIZATION KILL EVENT is underway all flexions If tactical morality is built at MIDNIGHT (the final stage of YUGA likely being the fall of the light A.K.A. guardians; also I should say tactical morality being built probably means Rasputin needs to decide to arm/evacuate us to stop the end or just leave us to die) Stand by for DECISION POINT: If available ISR and WARWATCH indicates imminent [O] departure >then [O] departure compromises human/neohuman survival and epoch strategy Stand by for ABHORRENT (disgust) IMPERATIVE:Activate LOKI CROWN Perform deniable authorization: full caedometric (some made up word) and noetic (intelligence) release Prevent [O] departure by any means available"
That part sounds like he's going to let humanity die, but.
"Stand by for effect assessment criteria: Coerce pseudoaltruistic (persuade selflessness) [O] defensive action. Defer civilization kill. STOP STOP STOP V101NTS923ATS001"
This part makes it seem like something in his code won't allow him to let us die.
7. Finally my hypothesis. No grimoire exists for the Black Spindle the exotic version of the black hammer obtained from a daily heroic mission which makes me think we have to regain Rasputin's favor in a daily mission but the Dvalin parts make it seem like there will be more steps maybe the step after getting the three parts is to help Rasputin in a daily and get are fourth part.
What do you guys think? What are your theories? After about an hour of research I only found out what seems like back story so Bungie must be trying to make this tough, I enjoy it. It's definitely going to take more than one person to figure this out. We should probably work together.
Edit 1: Credit to CherryKoolA1d (better?) for the pic; it seems like the fusion rifle relics are just one part of the quest line unless these other relics are for a different quest entirely. http://imgur.com/a/Q2OPl
Edit 2: We have decided that [O] is the traveler and Rasputin may have convinced the traveler to stay this is more backstory then method if you're interested in that.
Edit 3: Have been playing on another character and got another relic I've been hanging on to it for research purposes it seems that you have to turn one in to get another haven't been playing long enough to confirm, but something more curious is that if you look on it there is a progress bar on the relic. http://xboxclips.com/ZaneMcAwesome1/screenshots/84773b5d-d649-4440-909e-f1699e413154. Also in tower ghost there is a percentage on the relic. http://imgur.com/UCigg2Y
Edit 4: I just realized the possible significance behind the day black spindle was available what was different about that day then any other day in destiny wasn't reset it was armsday which makes sense will test Wednesday. If it's not sleeper it may be something else if anything at all. Just a thought.
Edit 5: I've been way too lazy to edit and wanted to just play destiny but yeah I feel once a specific threshold of new information becomes available what I want becomes redundant. So new info lets cover it, biggest new secret found is probably the new room in the dick wall part of the raid. However, I don't believe this is related to the sleeper at all so I'm not even going to touch it if you're interested go check another thread there's like 100 by this point.
I'm going to say this here [b]THERE IS NO GRIMOIRE FOR HIDDEN EXOTICS THERE IS NO GRIMOIRE FOR BLACK SPINDLE, NO TIME TO EXPLAIN OR SLEEPER SIMULANT[/b] that does not mean it does not exist. and please stop saying it is not in the game it was teased it's in the game so it's in the game it may not be available yet due to timed restrictions i.e. vendor rank, daily strike, etc.
Deej's tweet: "We can only show you the door. You must walk through it. And no, you cannot dodge bullets. We'll ban you for that." Show you the door may be referring to the pocket infinity. Maybe it's in reference to Luke smith's raid reveal. Maybe it's just Deej being a cryptic nerd. Community manager cozmo has been using a pocket infinity lately.
The guy who "unlocked the quest" is not real OP removed his thread he was proven false it's been debunked don't believe everything you see on the internet some troll trying to throw us off. Ignore all claims until you see someone with the gun.
I think that's all I wanted to cover happy hunting.
Edit 6: The secret raid room is useless check Luke Smith's twitter strike it off all your conspiracy theories.
Edit 7: The supposed video of the guy who HAS the gun is fake and still is.
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