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Edited by LONE RONIN2012: 9/30/2015 8:15:11 PM
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Elder Scrolls Online, a real MMO, just dropped a DLC too. Guess how much I'm locked out of?

I didn't buy the DLC for Elder Scrolls Online yet, and the total content that was taken away, or that I am locked out of as punishment is NOTHING. That's right, an actual real MMO did not lock me out of any vanilla content that I paid for in my original $60 purchase. I still have access to all game features, and functions that I had prior to the DLC. I am only locked out of the center of the PvP map, but that is understandable since that is the location of the Imperial City DLC. I am in no way locked out of prior PvP areas, or public dungeons, quests, or maps. I can as well say that my weapons were not made useless either, nor do I have to regrind new weapons. Everything is as it was in game play and accessibility that is was prior, with nothing changing. If you didn't buy the DLC you still have the features and content you paid for in the vanilla game. And the amount of content you get in the initial $60 game is massive making Destiny plus all DLCs look like a start up trial demo. So later I'll be throwing $25 at Bethesda because they're not assholes that extort their player base. The only annoyance I had was getting my skills reset. On a level 6 toon not a problem. On a level 44 toon remembering everything can be a pain in the ass.
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  • Guess what buddy you may have all the old content and everything but you are now locked out of the highest level endgame content. That center of the map also holds the newest pvp and also the best gear you can possibly get for veteran ranks. So you may be able to still play your content but until you buy that dlc you will always be at a disadvantage to those who do have it.

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  • Edited by Vakris One: 9/29/2015 3:18:39 PM
    Thank you for mentioning this. A lot of people don't seem to realise (or just don't want to acknowledge) how morally bankrupt and unethical it is for Bungievision to lock the vanilla content behind another pay wall when the customer has already paid the initial price of the original game. They've even locked or plain old wiped away most of the TDB and HoW DLC expansions. Stuff that people paid £20 to £40 for on top of the £40 for the already severely gutted upon release vanilla game. Bungie's creative director Luke Smith himself even admits that they knew Destiny was hugely flawed on release: “When that went out the door, we were not thrilled with it.” Destiny is now basically a game 95% of which is locked behind DLC. [b]And in a couple of months time all the content that was locked to The Taken King will most probably be locked yet again until you buy their next piece of DLC[/b]. That is a subscription based model if I ever saw one except that it has been dishonestly peddled through without informing the customer until it is too late. I mean they changed the EULA agreement multiple times, most notably every time a new DLC dropped. They knew exactly how they wanted to screw their customers and they did it. [b]The question now is do we (the players/customers) allow this sort of immoral, unethical, greedy, sleight of hand scam artistry to spread throughout the industry. [/b]The future of gaming is in our own hands and we can vote with our wallets and our voices - just look at what happened with Arkham Knight's release on PC. Gamers stood up for their rights and forced the publisher to rethink some of their more shitty business practices. What Bungievision have done needs to stop before it begins because it will set a very real and very dangerous precedent in the industry if we willingly condone and allow it. It doesn't matter if you have bought TTK or not (apart from the fact that you've fallen into Bungievision's greed trap), if we all speak out now about this and raise enough of a stink then the industry will take notice! Just as WB Games took notice and pulled PC Arkham Knight from sales until they fix it. I'm not saying Bungievision will pull back on locking 95% of Destiny's content behind TTK but I guarantee you they [b]will[/b] take notice and will start to rethink their shitty business strategy in the future, as will the industry as a whole. If we continue to let it slide however then the future of our favourite hobby, gaming, will continue to get worse and worse for us; the players and customers, no matter the size of our wallets. [u]REFERENCE[/u]: This thread features the details of Luke Smith's interview and what Bungie more or less think of Destiny and The Taken King's lock out of content (please bump it if you can): https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/157044067/0/0 If you're looking for something more interactive this video pretty much explains the TTK situation really well in my opinion: http://youtu.be/Z_LE7HXLlDo

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    • Edited by Reaper Black: 9/18/2015 1:25:14 PM
      Bungie fanboys logic: Normal Player: Why nerf all year 1 gear to useless? Bungie Fanboy: Dude, every MMO does the same thing, obviously you don't play any MMO's. Normal Player: What the -blam!-ed happened to my content? This is a dlc not a whole game. DLC's don't lock out content add content. Look other MMO style games. Bungie Fanboy: Dude, Destiny is not a MMO and you are retarded.

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      • Can't compare the 2 dumbass

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      • This is bungies way of making it a subscription based but not call it a subscription. I look at it as 20 for dlc and 20 for yearly subscription for a freshened up vanilla game

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        • I would love to bump, but apparently [spoiler]Bumping (Requires The Taken King)[/spoiler] So I'm left with B. I'll gladly B this post.

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          • What I don't understand about the dlc mess of destiny People complain about being locked out, things costing too much, having to regrind for things, BUT games like madden make you pay $60 for an updated roster and slightly better graphics. Can someone please explain to me this?

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          • But, but all MMOS in the history of the world ever always require you to buy dlc or they take your shit away. Doesn't Bethesda know how an MMO works?! And if you signed a EULA they can take it all back! Why aren't they? I mean you aren't supporting the game anymore, you shouldn't be treated like you've already given them money, you should be treated like a homeless squatter in a newly purchased home. I'm outraged. This isn't fair to the people who bought the dlc.

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            • Shame nobody plays eso since it sucks -sincerely A beta player

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              • So go play it ?? Seems like the thing a normal person would do rather than come onto a destiny forum to tell people who don't really give a sheet All games are different We should all be over this by now

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                • Edited by MatrixasISeeFit: 9/29/2015 7:55:55 PM
                  But they made you sign a User Agreement!!! That gives Bethesda a free pass to shit on you!!! Why are they not shitting on you? All MMOs shit on their customers that is why Bungie does it. It would be okay if they did shit on you because that is what User Agreements are for...a free pass to shit on those who sign it.

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                  • I agree. I won't be paying for this as I feel Bungie still owes me $30 worth of game of the $60 I already paid. This should be included in the price that we paid already. This version is what should have been released last year instead of what we got.

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                  • I've played destiny since launch and picked up eso during the summer and while TTK has been awesome it's still nothing like eso. Eso is amazing VR11 on my nightblade and imperial city is well worth the money. Maybe one day bungie will actually release a full version of destiny we all know we're just playing the beta bc nothing stays consistent they have changed their minds on so much junk it's crazy TTK will be dead in another month for me if that and I'll return back to eso :)

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                  • Edited by Noctroglyph: 9/17/2015 5:59:04 PM
                    You do realize this isn't an MMO, right? You do also realize that no one has attempted a game that works in this fashion before, right? I'm not writing a "pass" here, but this game IS getting markedly better with each DLC/expansion. Do they need to fix "left behind" syndrome? Sure. Do they need to find a way to make all endgame content (VoG, CE, PoE) relevant to those that are staying ahead of the paywall? You bet. But, if you've played the game since it dropped, there can be no argument that the quality of TTK far exceeds that of vanilla Destiny.

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                    • Damn straight. Fanboys can -blam!-ing eat it. The morons claiming that its "common" or "expected" for expansions to render old content obsolete or remove pre-existing content are obviously full of it and too busy drinking from that Koolaid. Next to no one does that kind of shit.

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                      • EVERY SINGLE PERSON COMING TO THESE FORUMS ARE FANBOYS.

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                        • Lol. But you see. Elder Scrolls is run by a company with ethics. Duh.

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                          • Please leave the forums if the only thing you can do is complain. If you dont like it buy the dlc

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                            • >ESO >A real MMO Pick one.

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                            • Still in year 1 for elder scrolls idiot jerk narcissist.

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                              • BUMP Thats the difference between an expansion/DLC and a play to pay scheme for those out there that seem to be confused.

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                              • http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/09/07/halo-composer-wins-bungie-shares-creative-control-lawsuit This idea will probably fall on deaf ears but I've changed my avatar to the pic of Marty O'Donnell the original MVP who stood up to the shitty practices of Bungievision and i suggest you all do the same. Just as little reminder every time we comment on something they may f*ck people over in the short term but it will always come back and bite them on the arse!

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                                • EWWWW Elder scrolls..

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                                  • Bumpfortruth

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                                  • That awkward moment when Destiny isn't an MMO.

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                                    • Bruh, this is some serious theft right here. I was gonna get the taken king just for the sub class, but these greedy ass -blam!- ass bustahs ain't gettin shit from me. No wonder everybodys quitin over at Bungie. If I was a designer there I wouldn't want to be apart of this bullshit either.

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