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Edited by JensBoef:
9/22/2015 8:09:34 AM
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Is this even legal?
Are there any lawyers here? I'm surprised what Bungie did with TTK is even legal.
You bought a game for 100,- and that is now gone... I think Bungie should only be able to add more stuff that you can't touch if you don't have TTK, but cannot take away content you already paid for.
Say you buy a couch for 100,-. After a year the company you bought it from comes to your door and asks you 40 dollars extra for the couch and if you buy it you get a nice pillow. You say you don't want to pay. They saw your couch in half and take one half with them... That's how I feel about TTK so far.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I KNOW what Bungie did is legal. I don't think they're stupid, just shitty. The title of the post was more to show that I'm surprised that it's legal. And I wish it was different...
EDIT 2: Many people outside Europe didn’t get the couch analogy. Well, I didn’t know before writing that, but what Bungie did is legal in the US, but is not in Europe. As I am from Europe, the couch analogy made sense, since you can grasp it. You bought a game and after a year 50% is gone. You bought a couch and after a year 50% of your couch is gone. I thought people would get that, but apparently not.
Anyway, let me give a new analogy. Since a game is intellectual property and a couch is not, a better comparison would be to compare it with a music record. A record is intellectual property of a band/artist. It makes a lot of sense that if you buy a record that record is yours forever (even though it is intellectual property of the artist!). It’s not going to happen that the artist/record label contacts you in a year and asks you for more money for a few bonus tracks. It is also not going to happen that if you refuse, they remove half of the songs of the record you already bought. It is also not going to happen that they change the music quality from FLAC or 320 kbps to 96 kbps. How come this is normal when it comes to Destiny?
If you live in Europe you can get your money back. Not only for TTK, but also for Vanilla, Crota and HoW. It is funny b.t.w. that if you contact Activision for a refund, they direct you back at Bungie. Like some user on the forums said: “The head doesn’t know what the mouth is talking about.” XD
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21 RepliesEverybody knew that Destiny was going to be a 10 year planned game. You should have been prepared to pay for the damn DLC. Cheap ass people who wanna complain because they Cant get everything for free. Do you get mad when you pay for a movie and the movie ends???? You paid for the first year of destiny and you got it so deal with the upgrades or quit.
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2 RepliesTo those that say pay or dont play, the response is feed their greed, Its all they need
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Destiny is a consumable product with a three month timeline for expiration. It's legal... But not communicated at clearly as it should have been
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2 RepliesEdited by Phil 421: 9/20/2015 9:35:15 PMEULA is not a 100% binding contract and violating consumer rights would make it null & void. Gamers need to set an example here because to me Activision and Bungie failed to inform us of this hybrid subscription plan and in doing so gave consumers the impression that DLC would function as it does on 99.9% of videogames which sets a clear industry standard for how DLC functions by adding to it not taking away from it. By not informing us of this (and the EULA does NOT state this and the Eula is fairly standard for a lot of games that do NOT remove content) they did not allow us to make an informed decision when purchasing vanilla Destiny and to me that seems like false advertisement at the very least. It's extremely deceptive the way it's been marketed but to me this is over the line. They never said DLC was not optional or that they'd remove content a little over 4 months old as this game "progressed". Edit: just to clarify that part in the EULA about them reserving the right to remove items is in a lot of EULAs and is there for companies to modify or remove content to Improve the overall quality of the game not to throw up paywalls.
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Its "the game" within the actual game. They want you to play over a thousand hours to earn the guns because lets face it this game damn sure is not about the story. Then you earn them play with them for few months then they become obsolete. This in turn forces you to either (a) buy the game to continue collecting guns to add another thousand hours to your overall destiny gaming or (b) delete the game and all the time put into earning said weapons. This helps me to understand that if this download dlc, earn weapons, only for bungie to deem them worthless in the next dlc pattern is the bungivision 10 yr plan. I will put any amount of 💰 up betting on destiny 2 causing all these ttk weapons to be obsolete. I mean come on all the game is is do the lame short story missions, to unlock dlc raids, nightfalls, etc, do those raids and so on about 50 to 100 times to earn guns, then place guns in vault. That's it.
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I don't know if it's legal in the US or not. If people file a class action lawsuit, we may find out. It certainly wasn't ethical.
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Remember...mmm....about a year ago whenever you had that update on your console, that made you agree to bungies terms before you even stepped foot in the tower? I know you remember even if it seems vague, everybody got that update, it installed for a few minutes and then prompted you to hit "I agree to the terms and policies". Not many people remember this because destiny had jus released, the hype was real, everybody jus wanted to shoot shit as fast as possible....how many people actually read the terms and conditions along with the policy of that update before they spammed the "agree to terms and conditions" button so they could hurry up and play? I didn't read it right away but eventually I did. You're questioning whether any of this is legal. Go read those terms and conditions along with their policy and you will have your answer soon enough. Even if it wasn't legal....you still agreed to the terms an conditions...which I think prohibits you from taking any legal action against bungie whatsoever....the only person that got over on bungie in the slightest was Marty O'Donnell and he wasn't a player or a fan, he was an employee that got jewed. However, if anyone were to take bungie to court for whatever they feel is illegal, first off, you won't win. Secondly you better hope you don't have any more than 100 hours in this game because that's exactly what their lawyers would tell you....well first they would have to actually see you as a threat...which none of us are, once that happens though they would throw your game play in your face and in the face of the judge. Trust me it would happen..."your honor, he didn't think anything we were doing was illegal until he sunk 1000 hours into the game and now he claims we are a dirty company" Bungie lives in a gray area between illegal and unethical....you'll either see them doing one or the other but never both. Plus...dude...it's been a year....over a year...any class anyction lawsuit or any other kind of lawsuit would be irrelevant at this point and if it hasn't happend yet it won't happen at all. If a fan was soo pissed off that he actually took the time and money jus to take bungie to court...hahahah they probably wouldn't even show up....and if they did they would probably pull some young dumbass paralegal or legal assistant to do it for them because that's what they think of lawsuits coming from people who aren't worthy of being in the same court room as them. So many people talk about taking legal action against bungie but would it really be worth it? Their game didn't give you cancer, it didn't cause you to lose a limb or your vision, yea it might have caused you to lose your sanity but the lines at Walmart do that to everyone, so let's say you've bought everything that bungie has offered since destiny released....I'm talkin, the game, the expansions, the ugly ass shirts they sell, donations to any one of the various boring twitch streamers that associate their identity with bungie, donations to nepal...so let's say you're a person that's bought roughly everything that bungie has offered....you're looking at about maybe 300 dollars spent over the course of a whole year....take bungie to court for any one of your probably stupid reasons and your going to being paying triple that, probably per court session. To the people w h o want to sue bungie....go ahead....I encourage you to do so...however...it won't be cheap....and seeing as how pricing is one of the biggest concerns in the destiny community...i don't see why anyone would go to court over a video game...a video game you had no part in making or developing mind you....unless you're one of those people that think that bungie actually listens to your feed back.
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2 Repliesyour couch analogy may be the stupidest thing I've read all day.
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3 RepliesEdited by Zeus_One23: 9/21/2015 9:36:58 PMJust shut up and get out of bungie's penis because they don't need you
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4 RepliesEdited by MatrixasISeeFit: 9/22/2015 2:35:48 PMBungie thought screwing Marty over was legal too.... Just saying.
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6 RepliesIt's legal. MMOs have that ground in many ways. That's the purpose of their creation
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3 RepliesYes, it is legal. Read the EULA you signed.
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Best thing is play other games don't pay for tkk and have fun in this forum with the Lova boys .-)
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Destiny is a story., Crota came we kicked his ass. Knights disappeared. House of walls.. We kicked the Fallen's ass they disappeared. When we are done kicking oryx in the nuts the fallen will be gone..
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Agreed
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Completely legal. Was already settled with games like WoW an Eve
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Bump. And no it's not legal. They are playing on a grey area of the law and hoping it doesn't get challenged
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It's kind of a grey area, but technically it is legal. Is it right? Hell no. Only way to stop bad business practices like this are to stop buying the product. But people don't do things like that anymore because they aren't capable of things like that anymore. They are too lazy and ignorant to accomplish tasks at that degree in 2015 because it's too complicated for them. They will just beg the government to do it for them eventually. The addiction and want of the product is to strong and they can't control themselves.
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45 RepliesThat's how MMO work. Stupid console gamers. Never hear wow or swtor players cry so much
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1 Replyat least they left half a couch, bungie would have given you a pillow made of rocks.
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Id have to disagree... you said you don't think they're stupid, but i KNOW they're stupid. This is bullshit, they are assholes, literally every other game has buried destiny
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1 ReplyNo it's super legal #idiot # satire
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What content has been taken away?
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3 RepliesEdited by Lord Blackfyre: 9/20/2015 12:15:25 PM[quote] I don't think they're stupid, just shitty.[/quote] in battlefield 4* if you chose not to buy any given dlc Dice doesn't strip your game to punish you, it doesn't effect the game you bought in any way. (also, recently bf4 has had some excellent free dlc... GO DICE!!!, Dice devs seem to listen to the end user better too, i game with them in the community test environment all the time, they're good guys.) [i]*by the way, for anyone who gave up on battlefield way back near launch, bf4 has been fixed for a long time, these days destiny crashes for me about 95 percent more often than either bf4 or bfh (which makes no sense to me, with 32 vs 32 matches including fighter jets and patrol boats and many other vehicles you'd think lag and crashes would be worse than teeny tiny 6 vs 6). i recommend giving it a shot again if you're interested in much larger, more realistic pvp than we get with destiny crucible. or try out star wars battlefront when it drops. i also recommend the [b][u]FREE TO PLAY[/u][/b][/i] planetside 2 if you're on ps4. you can support the devs by purchasing cosmetic skins but there's no "pay to win" stuff that you find in some free to play games. there are no "matches" just continent sized maps covered with dozens outposts and fortresses where the front lines are always changing. every once in a while you find yourself in combat with hundreds of other gamers at once, its truly a much more legendary experience.
