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[i]The engram you see here is green, the spot light in this room, is right in front of the television panel (we can see its glare in tech screen) the difference in lighting is very clear, look at how blown out that wooden table appears to be...[/i]
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Edited by shaunvfx: 8/27/2015 6:31:09 PMLol man no chance in hell the engram in question is the same. Look at the specular color and surrounding area no chance in hell. edit: for anyone reading this I was wrong.
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Edited by Seven: 8/27/2015 1:13:32 PMIdk about you friend, but I spent like the entirety of my first two years of college in color theory. And the "specular" color shining off the front engram in question absolutely matches the shadowed areas of the engrams in the back... Visually I can tell you they match... I also was aghast at how little the standard person knows about color and lighting relationships with that whole white and gold dress ordeal... I guarantee if you take the image into an image editing software and you "flatten out" the exposure/curves map or even cut the top of the "darker" engram and put it over top an engram in the back you will see a direct match.. Like seriously.. It's not hard to tell. Look at the differing tones in color on the table due to the spotlight... The one engram not in the spotlight is obviously going to have issues
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Edited by shaunvfx: 8/27/2015 4:25:27 PMLOL man. TL;DR I have a BA in VFX Animation and specialize in Compositing "friend" I aced all of my color and design classes and Compositing heavily relies on color correction and reality perception recreation skills. Funny. I don't disagree that the "black one" could be green but it certainly is not the same color as the green ones in the foreground. The fall off is not sharp enough and there is plenty of reflected light in the foreground.
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Edited by Seven: 8/27/2015 4:54:33 PMSadly I'm an industrial design student, drafting is also sort of my thing, whilst composition in 3D (and I do use 3D CAD/lighting for my work as well) Let's settle this the only way it can be settled mr VFX compositing pro! Make a directional light hit a target on a semi reflective planar surface and spread some green icosahedrons on said plain, the. Render with a camera near an engram outside of the directional or spot light and show us those results If I had painted this and someone told me this was incorrectly shaded, I would not be happy, as the spotlight clearly is very bright, the details on the yellow engrams are not visible at all and are entirely lost. Please give me some evidence from within our photo? Just yelling "specular" doesn't tell me anything but that you think of object light reflection in a 3D term set This isn't an issue of falloff or ambient light in the area. This [b]is the issue of a photograph's exposure playing tricks on or perception of true color[/b] as I will say over and over, look just how blown out the center engrams are.. If you look on Instagram at pictures of the engrams the green is not nearly that light
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Edited by shaunvfx: 8/27/2015 5:13:23 PMIn all honesty you are pretty heated over this and just don't have a lot of time to spend on it. Looks like this could be a case of sever information loss in the picture where we don't see an accurate dynamic range. I'm still skeptical but it certainly is within the realm of possibility however to reproduce there simply isn't enough detail to use in this photo. In any case while I do know how to use several 3d modeling tools and environments, compositing isn't that and I don't have time to go through the exercise even considering there isn't enough information to work with. It's possible they are the same color (anything is possible). I haven't seen any other pictures of these engrams and don't care to spend time searching but if you have time to take samples and cross reference multiple images to built appropriate light mapping to make a determination please share.
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Lol you don't seem to know what compositing is. I will say that I just dropped this into photoshop and matched the color range from the back to the foreground and again, while it seems that the near engram is a greenish color (potentially from the light contamination) the object is still darker in color. It is conceivable possibly that there simply isn't enough color information to accurately match, but even with both matched the object is darker.
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How old are you? Did you go get a two year BA from somewhere and now you feel you are [b]the[/b] expert on compositional color theory! Yes I know what compositing is, it's not a complex concept or process. Compositing also is strengthened with a good knowledge of spatial lighting and object relationships. If you match the color of the top facing (facing closest to the spotlight shown in this picture) and compare it with a shaded side of the blown out spotlighted engrams you will see a clear relationship.
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Now you are going to try and discredit me? Please man. 2 year degree? No. I have an accredited bachelor from an accredited university. I'm not going to explain more. If you want to get into a pissing match, my six figure salary speaks for itself.
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Frankly it's sad. I can very clearly tell by a number of items in this image that the greens match. But hey 6 figure salaries go out to arrogant and bullheaded fools constantly..
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Thanks for sharing another image. You might be right. This is the only picture of engrams I have seen and I haven't searched for others. You think I'm an arrogant prick but I am making the money. You are actually the one being a complete prick though man, and honestly you care way too much about this.
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Edited by Seven: 8/27/2015 5:44:25 PMOh I haven't been searching, it was simply seriously digging at me that you thought you were so right mostly because you have a BA... So I went and found some conclusive proof, if you look at the time I screenshotted. That was the first image if seen of the engram's true green tone. [u]still doesn't change that I can very clearly tell all the greens are the same here. Ever tried your hand at paint maybe? That's the issue with BAs IMO, you miss some of the artistic journey.[/u] Lastly, no I don't think your an arrogant prick, sure you have a BA and make money, but I'm not against that as a privaledged art student, do what you like, just don't base your opinions on it. You can be a doctor and have an MD from prestigious school. You can still be a idiot
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Edited by Seven: 8/27/2015 5:22:27 PMWell hopefully you and your accredited BA degree don't get too hurt over this. Did I ever start a pissing contest? No, I led off this all facts deduced from the photo directly An image in direct light of the yellow and purple engram. Omg look how much darker they are when a spotlight so bright, it's reflected on a television display that's [b]on.[/b], isn't shown on them. I only brought up your BA and possibly 2 years after you pretty impolitely scoffed at my "lack of knowledge in what compositing was" which again, I and likely every computer user of this era knows very well of... Bachelors of Arts are very often two year programs and do not cover nearly as much as BFA classes. [b]you're very wrong about this, and as I have said multiple times, it's fine to be incorrect, but here you are pitting your whole career up against my very obviously derived from photo evidence argument on the greens being the same.[/b]
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So I had a few minutes and loaded up my laptop. You see due to security reasons I cannot use company systems for outside communication and am stuck using my phone. I did some levels and color analysis and it is safe to say the foreground object is green. The illusion is worsened by the compression of the image as there is color information clipping resulting in data loss which distorts the dynamic range of the image. I'll give you the benefit of knowing you were right. Aside from that, you make a lot of assumptions about what someone like me does, or who I am ... All patently wrong. You don't have a totally clear understanding of compositing, and that's fine. Nothing you said hurt my BA, too funny of a comment though. I already put in my time doing the low level stuff so I'm perfectly happy doing what I do now. Good luck, BTW knowing people and befriending them can make all the difference in a successful career. And just to be a dick, have fun with your foam blocks, sand paper and 3d printers.
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Edited by Seven: 8/27/2015 6:27:05 PMI will have fun with my foam blocks~ Cheers
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Its not a big of a lighting difference tho. If it is green, it is a different shade than the ones in the back.
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It is not a different shade, look at the top, most directly lit portion of the "black" engram, it's color here corresponds with the shadowed sections of the other green engrams in the back...
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Hmm...your right. Took it into paint and cut out the shaded color. Then, I placed it on the top of the front engram. Matched perfectly. [spoiler]Do I feel stupid =P[/spoiler]
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No worries dude! Optical tricks are crazy, it all just ends up differing to the photoreceptors in our eyes.
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It's all good Optimus! The post isn't about being right or wrong. It's the idea of a black engram possibly existing and where/what it might reward us with :)
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And I think some added loot drop system for tainted items needing to be reformed in light is a fantastic idea. #Pokemon Colosseum 4 guns
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Edited by 7heClark: 8/27/2015 5:45:49 AMBut Mister or Miss TheSeventhArete, even if it is in fact a measly Green, is it not an awesome idea? And please, be honest. I enjoy criticism of my ideas :)