One Hard Mode Atheon, with randoms. We grouped for it after being randomly matchmade together in PvP. Three of us hadn't run it. Took about 6 attempts to beat Atheon.
Why's it matter how many times? Because you can have bad groups? Because you're just making the point to have hosted lobbies even stronger. They won't listen? Kick them and re-queue for another.
I've beat HM Atheon and HM Crota easily with randoms met in-game and I've been in a Destinylfg group that struggled on easier-mode Crota. Anyway you group up, it's up to the ones who can lead to lead. If a group has no leaders, it's probably doomed.
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