Dude, how many VoG raids have you completed? Just last week I was asked to do one by a friend who had four other friends with him. He had an Atheon checkpoint on hard difficulty so I said yes. When we got in there, I was the only one who knew how to use the relic. People would jump as Atheon opened the time stream. People would attempt to use rockets to break through detainment. The players did not know to stand on the pillars. They did not know what sync plate opened what planet. They deliberately attacked the Goblins on Mars. They didn't clear out the supplicants from the portals. They all had weak in-upgraded weapons. They tried using rockets when protected by the relic's shield. They refused to use heavy synth or use their heavy weapons during the thirty available seconds. One person was even only a lvl 29!
Do you see where I'm going here? This was the only ONE part of VoG and needless to say we didn't even get to shoot at Atheon a second time. After at least thirty attempts we called it quits. People are clueless as to what and how to do VoG despite the hundreds of resources available to them. If matchmaking was made into raids I can guarantee nothing would ever get accomplished. No one would even bother to bring a mic as they would assume it would be very straight forward. Guys, you don't even get instructions or any tips! I've discussed this in tens of posts and the raiders all seem to agree with me while the non-raiders do not. It honestly makes me feel like writing an in-depth guide as to how to do everything and post it here, even though I know it won't change anything.
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Sounds like as someone who knew what they were doing, you should have taken the whole one minute it takes to explain the fight... Left. Right. Oracles. Pillars. Bubble. It doesn't matter if it's mm or lfg, in-game or out. If people who know can't lead, how will those who don't know learn?
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Edited by danielseoul: 8/15/2015 3:34:19 AMI was speaking, telling them what to do. We all had mics but they continued to fuc-k up. They wouldn't listen or at the very least refused to. And this wouldn't be the first time I had a disastrous VoG experience between my two accounts. And more importantly you didn't answer my question; how many VoG raids have you completed?
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Edited by Lost Sols: 8/15/2015 3:54:09 AMOne Hard Mode Atheon, with randoms. We grouped for it after being randomly matchmade together in PvP. Three of us hadn't run it. Took about 6 attempts to beat Atheon. Why's it matter how many times? Because you can have bad groups? Because you're just making the point to have hosted lobbies even stronger. They won't listen? Kick them and re-queue for another. I've beat HM Atheon and HM Crota easily with randoms met in-game and I've been in a Destinylfg group that struggled on easier-mode Crota. Anyway you group up, it's up to the ones who can lead to lead. If a group has no leaders, it's probably doomed.
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Edited by danielseoul: 8/15/2015 8:13:23 AMTrust me when I say that I yelled into my mic by saying "Don't jump when Atheon opens the time stream!" and yet people continued to jump. Likewise I said "Stay out of Atheon's line of sight!" in regards to him before he opens the time stream and again my group stayed out in the open. It still continues to boggle my mind how many people do not know how to use the relic! Grenade button hold to cleanse. R2/RT to bash and so on. If what you're saying is true in relation to your personal raids then I must say it's very out of character for what many of the other raiders, myself included have experienced with raids. Bear in mind this was just my most recent raid attempt. When done with trusted people I've friended I mean yeah, we get it done every time but with random people you meet by chance it has never gotten done in my cases. And I'm talking about every raid I've attempted with people that weren't known to me, it was just a disaster which is exactly what a match made raid system would bring. I seldom get randoms entering team chat during match made strikes. Do you truly think if a raid was brought together by nobody who knew each other prior would result in the noobs both having mics set up and entering a chat? I doubt it which would also lead to frustration and eventual rage quits. Even now I find it close to impossible to believe your raid runs with random players have gone so silky smooth whereas mine and perhaps thousands or tens of thousands have not. It could be blind luck like the broken rng system. End of story though the raids require complete coordination and mic use on everyone's part. Your request to have any yahoo jump in there to be paired with the few elite, with all due respect, is completely outrageous. Bungie will never implement it since they themselves designed the raids to begin with and even if they did, the wheat would stay far as fuc-k away from it while the chaff will continue to be lost to the dark edges of time. Over and over and over.