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The sad thing is you're just as biased as the desticles you hate
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  • By making a poll showing that some will vote for guardians no matter what..this isn't being biased it's just making a point

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  • But see, that's the problem. You're 100% convinced that Revan will win, so much so to the point that you don't actually take any opposing argument into account because of purely hypothetical situations and unreasonable scenarios that would negate them.

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  • Edited by Ze TacoLover: 7/15/2015 5:53:51 PM
    So if I don't say "oh okay because of nova bomb that means you win." I defend why Revan would win. I mean really he automatically won because of his knowledge of the force, some guy down below talked about it. This is the Internet, I'm allowed to disagree and give my point of view. You are too but doesn't mean I can't just shit on your argument [spoiler]I have a strange feeling you voted for the guardians[/spoiler]

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  • Edited by Delta E27: 7/15/2015 6:06:11 PM
    I didn't vote. And you can defend your view, that's fine. That's the point of the thread. But you're so convinced by your own argument that you fail to take everything into account. Bias. For example, regarding the force, when has that ever allowed anyone to win a fight instantly? Surely fights between powerful force users would be over in an instant if such was the case. And more importantly, Because Destiny has basically nothin in terms of actual lore, we have no idea what they're capable of. It's the same reason why even the most knowledgable about Halo are sometimes wary of deciding a fight between it and Destiny in Halo's favor. Because we have literally no idea what Guardians, or the Traveler, or the light is capable of. If Nova bomb can truly hot with the power of a collapsing star, that's ridiculously powerful. What else can a guardian do, then? And what does it mean for the enemies that can survive being hit by it? Also, what of the fact that Guardians can apparently even come back from death? Would that come into play? The reality is, there just isn't enough information to actually declare the fight in one way or the other. Edit: hit the damn button before I was finished. ... But because you have this bias, because the entire point of this post is ostensibly to prove a point, you won't acknowledge any argument against it. Instead of listening to what people actually have to say regarding Guardians or Revan, you tune them out, and as a result are voting for Revan almost as blindy as those who just instinctually vote Guardian

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  • Edited by Ze TacoLover: 7/15/2015 6:33:15 PM
    So what I got from this is I don't agree with people so I'm biased. I can't help it if Bungie decided to half ass the lore with Destiny but if people believe at this stage that guardians can put up a big enough fight then so be it. If you have an argument then I'll listen but like I said before, I will just give the rebuttal and finish the argument. I'm saying "but itz weven he gon ween everytang" I also don't see how I've shot down so many people points when there has only been one guy to argue for the guardians and he said nova bomb is too powerful for him. I disagreed and said Revan would use the force and grab him and just break his spine. Someone else said he would just throw the bomb back at them lol(probably the most likely response to the bomb) I didn't just say "lol no git gud scrub Revan solos the world". He can die but it's not an easy "oh you win because you said one word." If you think I'm really biased as all hell then search for my Predator vs Elites thread to see me shoot everyone down because of my bias even though it's the most even match up of any vs poll on here. I argued for Predator and did managed to get stumped on some points. Tl;dr I'm capable of arguing a point with people, I'm not gonna just say no you're wrong. I can't have been so biased against so many if only one has argued for guardians and then 3 others pooped on his point Edit: Checked what I said for Revan.

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  • It's a shame, because what you should have gotten was "if I'm going to make a post pointing out the obvious bias of people who vote for guardians in VS polls, maybe a specifically biased VS poll isn't the way to go about it"

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  • Or maybe it is because if there is a definitive answer to a question to something of the sort but still go with an answer that is dumb since "it doesn't have enough info or lore about it." Then maybe it does prove they vote for something just because they are a fanboy of it and say it'll win regardless. Don't even bother with the "what you said makes you a Revan fanboy" no Vader is the ultimate bae and a Star Wars Sith Lord vs a measly little soldier running around shooting aliens because the great ball told him to. There is a correct answer here and it's clear some people just choose guardians no matter what

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  • You can claim it doesn't all you want, but what you just said proves my point. It's the exact sort of thing a fanboy would say. Your claim that Revan would win has no evidence provided either for Revan or against a Guardian, and you had to resort to insulting a fictional character to seem right. From what I know of Revan, he is very powerful, and an incredibly valid argument could be made in his favor. But you're doing exactly none of that. Because you dislike Destiny and some of the people that play it, you've decided that the best way to prove your point would be to act exactly like them.

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  • Lion vs a raccoon who wins? Answer the question

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  • Edited by Delta E27: 7/15/2015 9:42:23 PM
    This isn't a matter of lion vs raccoon. This is a matter where the person who supports the lion instead of the raccoon, whose abilities are mostly unknown but include coming back from the dead, wants to prove the other's bias by doing the exact same thing they do. And that person continues to try to prove their point by making ridiculous statements such as "lion vs raccoon" which don't have any bearing on the situation, as opposed to any actual facts in the lion or raccoon's favor

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  • http://www.thetoptens.com/most-powerful-sith-lords/ Here take this then accuse me of more of being some fanboy when I just made this damn thread and only know a little about the guy. Seriously shit man go to the damn Spartan vs guardians post if you want to argue for 24 hours

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  • You just don't get it, do you? My whole problem with this was that you were blindly voting for one side or the other. Your reasoning behind it doesn't matter (i.e. Whether it was because you were a fanboy or not) because instead of basing it on actual knowledge about Revan or Guardians, it was based on your dislike of one side or the other. I've already said that a very legitimate argument can be made in favor of Revan. I'm aware of what he can do. I'm not directly arguing in favor of Guardians. My problem is the whole rationale behind this thread, and the way you've argued your points. That what you're doing as a result is hypocritical.

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  • The only thing I don't like about destiny is the lack of story and repetitiveness of the game..so that point is gone. I know what Revan can do to an extent(played KoTOR and read some comics) and I know what a guardian can do because I played destiny until December. I'm fully aware of both sides and chose Revan. Oh sorry I let the fanboyism get a hold of me Guardians win cuz ghorn is Jesus

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  • I was referring to the fans who vote guardians, who you obviously dislike. And you may know Revan, but I've already established that no one knows quite what a Guardian can do. You also don't know how their respective abilities will react. And again, you fail to pay attention. What I just said isn't the point. I'm not really trying to argue one side or the other. I'm pointing out that you fail to even acknowledge or put up a coherent argument against any point the other side might have. The entire point of this thread is hypocritical.

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  • Edited by Ze TacoLover: 7/15/2015 10:37:28 PM
    [quote]no one knows quite what a guardian can do[/quote] Why keep bringing this up unless you feel a tiny obligation to defend it. I mean you obviously must like it since you can play the trials even if you do go 0-3. You can't like something without the need to defend it in some way it's a natural thing. Best way to change an op's mind is to just point out logical fallacies in his points..wait a minute that sounds familiar. Almost like some guy pointing out why someone is defending his choice and saying he's a fanboy but every time this "fanboy" brings up the guardians being insignificant he feels the need to defend them with a few sentences in between critical remarks to the op..it's like some hidden subtext is here

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  • Edited by Delta E27: 7/15/2015 10:59:33 PM
    Oh no! I play a game. That suddenly makes me entitled to ignore all logic, then? Perhaps I should rethink my stance on every _____ vs guardians post I've ever seen, then. Or, maybe, I'm not the one here who is letting personal likes and dislikes get in the way of their better judgement. After all, who made a thread who's purpose is ostensibly to point out what destiny fans are doing wrong? I've said it's not important. So you know why I keep bringing it up? To point out how what you're doing is incorrect. For example, the idea of a "lion vs raccoon". It's what you keep trying to make this debate into. I'm pointing out that it is not, in fact like a lion vs a raccoon. As it is, you literally tried to prove the point "Revan is stronger than a guardian" by posing a rhetorical question in which the metaphorical stand in for Revan is stronger than a guardian. It's circular logic, because you haven't actually proven that Revan is in fact stronger. And more importantly, you haven't even [i]tried.[/i] Instead of actually arguing, you seem content to try and ignore points that go against your statement, as you have continued to do even now. It's just like the people you're criticizing, who ignore the facts that are presented and just impulsively vote. And as you keep being content to ignore, I'm not arguing about guardians. You know why I'm being critical of you? It's because that's literally my entire point. It has been since I said "the sad thing here is you're just as biased as the desticles you hate". I'm criticizing your methods of arguing. The point of this thread. The inherent hypocrisy with which you're acting. I'm not trying to change your mind on who would win a fight. I'm criticizing what you're doing in this thread

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  • Edited by Ze TacoLover: 7/15/2015 11:10:05 PM
    God I've been enjoying this too much. You see never take anything serious on here. It's either a legitimate argument or you get someone trying to actively try to piss someone off and I think I've done it lol

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  • It's quite the chat, isn't it?

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  • Yes lol. I tried to give you a huge hint when I did the "you're just hiding your love for destiny" response. I thought for sure you'd get it there but yeah this whole poll is essentially what you said Time well spent? Not sure Did I enjoy this? Definitely

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  • [quote]time well spent? not sure Did I enjoy it? Definitely[/quote] Yeah...that's how I feel now. With a bit of horrible realization thrown in. I had no idea

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  • Well first success for me lol it was fun to argue which is weird to say but yeah. [spoiler]this poll is incredibly unfair though lol[/spoiler]

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  • From what I know of Revan, yes

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  • Indeed. I'm tempted to do a Master Chief vs ____ but I'm not sure who yet. I want to make it fair bit I just don't know the character to choose

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  • Don't ask me, I don't know. The first thing that comes to mind would be Commander Shepherd from Mass Effect, but that's probably been done

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  • True. I feel like Deathstroke could prove a worthy opponent although it'll be a battle of wits most likely

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