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7/14/2015 11:29:21 PM
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[quote]how does a mere basic gun have such a low drop rate ? It isn't even the best gun in the game.[/quote]Because it turns into an Exotic. How good you believe it is compared to other exotics... well, is really irrelevant. [quote]It does not matter how many times a moderator[/quote]The good news is that you don't have to just take a community volunteer's word for it. Bungie themselves have stated it is still obtainable. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/138341445/0/0/1 [quote] Recall, most, if not, the majority of these forums are about this very problem. [/quote] Uh... no. Please don't exaggerate in that way. [quote]There is no proof, no video, no legitimate, credible source that proves it is still lootable.[/quote]Except for a Bungie Employee and all the people saying they have had it drop. Many people have claimed to have had it drop. But every time they do, someone says 'oh get a video of it.' But if they've already had it drop, they can't go back in time and get a video of it. So you all refuse to take peoples' word for it just because of a personal anecdote. It's ridiculous in every way.
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  • Edited by TokyoAndRose: 7/15/2015 12:00:01 AM
    Actually, the Xbox One and PS4 community can in fact record the gameplay, yeah sure it may be "few" (i mean it is an exaggeration after all) it is >50% of all Destiny players, and that's not taking into account those Youtubers who can record. I am aware that Bungie itself has made a reply, but where's the proof ? Like I said many forums respond to this issue and many have tried. I suggest you read the replies the Moderator received from that post, it's noteworthy that many believe it's a mere statement not backed by any proof. An exaggeration ? I also suggest you see the "Help," "Feedback," and "All" forums. The most prominent topics are Trials, Weasel Code, and Husk, disregarding order. There is not one forum that is solely dedicated to a single gun.

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  • [quote]Actually, the Xbox One community can in fact record the gameplay, yeah sure it may be few in spite it being <25% of all Destiny players, and that's not taking into account those Youtubers who can record.[/quote] The Xbox having the ability to record does not change their inability to record something that happened hours, days, or weeks in the past. I have an Xbox One. I'm well aware of what it can do. [quote] I am aware that Bungie itself has made a reply, but where's the proof ? [/quote]We have Mentors, Moderators, Bungie Employees, and community members all saying the same thing. [quote]Like I said many forums respond to this issue and many have tried.[/quote]Many people claiming to have had it drop have also replied, as have the people that made the game. [quote] I suggest you read the replies the Moderator received from that post, it's noteworthy that many believe it's a mere statement not backed by any proof.[/quote]He IS the proof. [quote] An exaggeration ? I also suggest you see the "Help," "Feedback," and "All" forums. The most prominent topics are Trials, Weasel Code, and Husk, disregarding order. There is not one forum that is solely dedicated to a single gun.[/quote][/quote]Three of the last 50 threads in #help alone are about this. Which also means nothing. 50 of the 50 could be about it and it would still have the same drop rate. Just because people are mad that something has a low drop rate doesn't mean there is anything wrong.

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  • I am speaking about those who are aware right now. It has been a few months since the release of HoW and only in the months of June and July have people really noticed this, thus, many are moved (much like Frostulv here) to prove otherwise. And what threads are you looking at, I did say "Help" "Feedback" and "All," not to mention their "Trending" and "Recent" section, I suggest you go back. I'll say this again, a mere reply backed by no proof is a mere statement. Recall, moderators are players much like you and me. "Aware" you say? Of this "ability" to record? Doesn't seem like it, you said it yourself "they can't go back in time and get a video of it." Pretty sure they can.

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  • [quote]It has been a few months since the release of HoW and only in the months of June and July have people really noticed this, thus, many are moved (much like Frostulv here) to prove otherwise. [/quote]People have been making these threads since the second week The Dark Below came out. It has simply gained a second wind because people have another reason to believe in their conspiracy theory. [quote]And what threads are you looking at, I did say "Help" "Feedback" and "All," not to mention their "Trending" and "Recent" section, I suggest you go back.[/quote]I looked at all the most recent threads in #help. Which, by the way, I addressed the whole 'even if 50 of the 50 threads' thing. I suggest you go back. [quote]I'll say this again, a mere reply backed by no proof is a mere statement. [/quote]I'll say this again, a reply by a Bungie Employee is proof. [quote]Recall, moderators are players much like you and me. [/quote]Bungie Employees are not just players. This link is to a Bungie Employee saying it is in the game, not a moderator. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/138341445/0/0/1 [quote]"Aware" you say? Of this "ability" to record? Doesn't seem like it, you said it yourself "they can't go back in time and get a video of it." Pretty sure they can.[/quote]I see your Warlock has a sweet Party Crasher +1. Go show me the video of it dropping.

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  • So you're saying it's "picking wind" and "building steam"? Clearly you, yourself, contradicted your statement that this issue is not prominent. I know he is not a moderator I was speaking for the other forums. Once more, I suggest you read them as well as my replies as you clearly lack an understanding. Much like me and the other two guys trying to point out your blatant, absurd, argument, they too believe the Bungie Helper is not providing proof, and therefore is flawed. My Party Crasher you see and the other guy's Invective you pointed out ? Yeah, since when do we record a recurring gun. Much like the Gally and anyone trying to farm the gun, people are starting to have this drive to show legitimate proof.

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  • [quote]So you're saying it's "picking wind" and "building steam"?[/quote]No, because I am not entirely sure what your two phrases that I never said mean. I certainly never used either, so the quotation marks are definitely throwing me off. [quote] Clearly you, yourself, contradicted your statement that this issue is not prominent. [/quote]It isn't. It has been ongoing since the second week of the previous DLC. Equally as un-prominent of an issue, but now with more reasons to believe conspiracy theories than ever. 'oh look a patch.' 'oh look another dlc.' Tiring. [quote] I know he is not a moderator I was speaking for the other forums.[/quote]You said because moderators are not Bungie Employees, they cannot be believed. Then a Bungie Employee commented and you said that isn't proof. You're contradicting yourself. Arguing just for the sake of arguing. And that's silly. [quote] Once more, I suggest you read them as well as my replies as you clearly lack an understanding.[/quote]Clearly not, since I've addressed your post. You not liking facts does not mean the other person does not understand what you are saying. There isn't even any correlation between the two that would have one make the other possible. So... arguing to argue, again. Which is silly. [quote] Much like me and the other two guys trying to point out your blatant, absurd, argument, they too believe the Bungie Helper is not providing proof, and therefore is flawed.[/quote]A Bungie Employee saying it is in the game is proof. You have been provided proof. You choosing not to accept proof means you are stubborn, not 'right.' By the way, have you ever seen [url=http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/] The Flat Earth Society[/url]? You should check it out- I think you'd agree with them on a lot of their valid points. [quote] My Party Crasher you see and the other guy's Invective you pointed out ? Yeah, since when do we record a recurring gun. [/quote]Since when you we record any gun? [quote]Much like the Gally and anyone trying to farm the gun, people are starting to have this drive to show legitimate proof.[/quote]I didn't record my Husk of the Pit dropping. I didn't record my Gjallarhorn dropping, either. Guess that means they never dropped. By the way, you showed you missed the entire point when I was asking you to provide a video. The point is people can't go back and get a video of something they didn't record. So when you ask people to provide a video, you are being... mmm, I'm having trouble thinking of a good word. Childish? Petty, perhaps? I'm not sure.

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  • Edited by TokyoAndRose: 7/15/2015 2:03:17 AM
    Nice, since when did this argument start getting offensive? Speak for yourself, but that's pretty "childish" to me. Besides I didn't even ask anyone for a video. Sure I challenged your argument, but not a moment in our conversation have I disrespected you. To me, I'm simply arguing with a kid now.

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  • [quote]Nice, since when did this argument start getting offensive? [/quote]I don't know. I wasn't aware it did. When? [quote] Speak for yourself, but that's pretty "childish" to me. [quote] What? [quote]Besides I didn't even ask anyone for a video.[/quote]Oh, my mistake. I thought since your first four posts were about how I didn't understand that the console I use every day has a recording ability and that such a feature could be used to record to provide proof of something that has already been proven. My mistake. [quote] Sure I challenged your argument, but not a moment in our conversation have I disrespected you. To me, I'm simply arguing with a kid now.[/quote]That's pretty disrespectful. If you want to carry on an adult conversation, let me know. Cheers.

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  • "Oh, my mistake. I thought since your first four posts were about how I didn't understand that the console I use every day has a recording ability and that such a feature could be used to record to provide proof of something that has already been proven" ^What? Clearly lacking proper sentence structure, indeed this is truly an adult conversation. Come talk to me when you get it all together bud. It's worth noting that I called you childish after you blatantly offended me. Like I said, simply childish. Let me teach you something an argument is not meant to offend someone, but merely to defend and hold your argument. You've clearly severed that simple definition and let your self-righteousness get in the way. This argument you held so dearly is as good as over. Goodbye kid.

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  • [quote]^What?[/quote]The intent of the phrase is very clear. You're being petty. [quote] Clearly lacking proper sentence structure,[/quote]As I said. [quote] indeed this is truly an adult conversation. Come talk to me when you get it all together bud. [/quote]I am talking to you. The fact that you latch onto things irrelevant to the discussion at hand shows a lack of ability to discuss that same topic, and says nothing about me whatsoever. You are being pretty childish right now, though. [quote]It's worth noting that I called you childish after you blatantly offended me. Like I said, simply childish. [/quote]I apologize for however I offended you. But you are indeed acting childish as opposed to myself, at this point. [quote]Let me teach you something an argument is not meant to offend someone, but merely to defend and hold your argument.[/quote]As I have done. You not being able to hold a discussion (as evidenced by the fact that you did not even once in this post talk about the actual topic a single time) does not imply anything about me. [quote] You've clearly severed that simple definition and let your self-righteousness get in the way.[/quote] [quote]Let me teach you [/quote] [quote]not a moment in our conversation have I disrespected you.[/quote] [quote]you clearly lack an understanding. Much like me and the other two guys trying to point out your blatant, absurd, argument,[/quote] Hmm. [quote] This argument you held so dearly is as good as over. [/quote] I see. So by attacking me as a person and avoiding the topic entirely, you have shown logical fallacies in the facts that I have presented. Truly you are a wise little boy. Aged beyond your years. I hope my kids grow up to be just like you when they're six. Goodbye, kid.

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  • Recall, the topic in its entirety, changed the moment you started offending me. Call me a whatever you please but I'm just tired of this argument. I like to say that I did latch onto the idea that the Bungie Employee had enough credibility so as to confirm that it is, in fact, lootable. The very objective of this forum was not to arouse Bungie's attention despite it's lingering title, since my opinion was mere feedback, but, rather, to argue and hope that someone can convince that it's obtainable. A bit extreme on my part, yes, but I had fun arguing. Thank you and I hope we both get this gun (if you haven't already). See ya around !

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  • [quote]Recall, the topic in its entirety, changed the moment you started offending me.[/quote]Speaking of self-righteousness. [quote] Call me a whatever you please but I'm just tired of this argument.[/quote]Seems like you're enjoying it to me since you replied even after saying you were done. [quote] I like to say that I did latch onto the idea that the Bungie Employee had enough credibility so as to confirm that it is, in fact, lootable.[/quote]Did you? Because you saying, "Much like me and the other two guys trying to point out your blatant, absurd, argument, they too believe the Bungie Helper is not providing proof" seems like you are saying a Bungie Employee telling you a fact is not proof. [quote] but, rather, to argue and hope that someone can convince that it's obtainable.[/quote]BngHelp did so for us, thankfully. [quote] Thank you and I hope we both get this gun (if you haven't already). See ya around ![/quote]I have it, though it took 8 hours. You have good luck as well. Cheers.

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  • Cheers bud !

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  • This situation is very well known - somebody would have posted evidence by now if it was dropping for people.

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  • Or not, because there's no reason for a normal player to record something like that when it happens.

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  • Since when does a "normal player" repeatedly kill Blades of Crota on the Fist of Crota? Not a single person who is doing this is an average, "normal player."

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  • Edited by burritosenior: 7/15/2015 3:39:41 AM
    [quote]Since when does a "normal player" repeatedly kill Blades of Crota on the Fist of Crota? Not a single person who is doing this is an average, "normal player."[/quote]I consider myself a normal player and I grinded for 8 hours before mine dropped. Despite it taking so long, the thought of recording it finally dropping never even crossed my mind as something worth my time.

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  • when did it drop?

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  • [quote]when did it drop?[/quote]Mine dropped the first week. Which is why I couldn't provide' proof' that it still dropped when people made these exact same threads week two.

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  • OK. I'm claiming that it hasn't dropped FOR CERTAIN PLAYERS since the most recent patch (2 weeks ago). I think there's some sort of drop condition that is required, and people aren't meeting it. The numbers are just too big, man. You have 196 kills. There are guys who started recently that have 2000 KILLS. that's 10 times as many as it took you to get yours. Even with RNG, that is an insane statistical unlikelihood.

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  • [quote]OK. I'm claiming that it hasn't dropped FOR CERTAIN PLAYERS since the most recent patch (2 weeks ago). I think there's some sort of drop condition that is required, and people aren't meeting it. The numbers are just too big, man.[/quote]We have no reason to believe that. Just personal anecdotes based on something with an incredibly low drop rate. These same threads have been going on en masse since before the latest patch. Again, it's just people looking for another reason to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon. [quote] You have 196 kills. There are guys who started recently that have 2000 KILLS. that's 10 times as many as it took you to get yours. Even with RNG, that is an insane statistical unlikelihood.[/quote]Not really. Each attempt has the same chance. Yes, let's say I have 200 kills. If I had stopped at 199 kills for it, would that mean it's impossible to get it to drop for me? I'll cheat a little for you: That isn't how it works.

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  • What you dismissed as a conspiracy bandwagon has led to the identification of a bug in the Husk of the Pit drop. [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/help/article/13160] http://www.bungie.net/en/help/article/13160[/url] It is unfortunate that so many users were quick to categorize our concerns as conspiracy theories or just bad luck, but thankfully Bungie believed us and is now taking action.

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  • I've already seen. I'm glad they're doing something about it!

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  • You can look at peoples' grimoires to confirm that they have 2000+ kills man. Why would anybody do that if they didn't have the gun? There's no reason for it. Each attempt has the same chance, yes. but we are talking about multiple attempts. Thousands of attempts. The idea that a particular result hasn't come up in thousands of attempts is statistically unlikely. Flip a coin 600 times. What's the likelihood that it comes up heads 599 of those times?

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  • [quote]You can look at peoples' grimoires to confirm that they have 2000+ kills man. Why would anybody do that if they didn't have the gun? There's no reason for it.[/quote]They may have had 1999 then gotten the gun and stopped. It's that simple. [quote]What's the likelihood that it comes up heads 599 of those times?[/quote]Low. Now roll a 385984359389 sided dice. What are the odds that out of 2000 rolls it won't even once land on 238294?

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