I was having this conversation with some friends earlier, what do you all think and why do you feel that way?
Edit: wow over 300 replies since i went to bed! thanks for all the input guys! I realize I shoulda put a neither option.. and just to be clear, I didn't make this because I'm complaining about either gun. My buddies (ones a thorn user, ones a TLW user) got into quite the argument about it last night so I thought I'd see what everyone else thought about it lol
Edit: 520 -blam!- yea
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7 RepliesThat's not how it works, that's not how any of this works. This is not a debate or question. Just stare at these facts and bask in the infinite glow that is my superior understanding of the universe. I only post this in hopes of enlightening the masses. It is written in the first person as a reminder of how awesome you are. [b]Facts: 1: Any way I kill you is the most glorious and honorable of kills requiring skill of an otherworldly nature. 2: Any way you kill me is a cheap cowardly way to play the game and your family should be ashamed. 3: All of my characters are of the highest class and quality. You should be honored to die by my wrath. 4: All of your characters are cheap, easy to kill with and should cause your family some form of horrible disappointment in your skills. 5: My guns are hard to use and require skills that escape the common man. 6: Your guns are self aiming bullet sprayers that a half dead turtle could use to go 30-0. 7: My play style is clearly MENSA like in its formulation and execution. 8: Your play style is obviously the result of playing while half asleep or perhaps over medicated on daytime cold pills. 9: My chosen skill path is designed to add challenge and honor to my play style. The best of the best. 10: Your chosen skill path is a crutch that only mildly holds up your pathetic play style. End of facts... [/b] You are welcome.
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No its more so. Has a broken perk for one. And 2. 90% of people I meet using TLW just fanfire the entire mag and hope that they hit something, on top of the glitch you have them just auto firing a pistol that hits for 111. I don't see how anyone can think that requires skill
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Easy neither of them are cheap its a gun a people use them
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1 ReplyI'd say nerf exotic hand cannons, not legendary. They should be a bit more powerful than legendaries, not overpowered. For Thorn, reduce mag size, DoT, or range. For TLW, fix the precision bug, make it reflect the actual range its stats show. Hawkmoon, idk, that seems like one of the more balanced of the 3, aside from the odds of the bullets stacking. Leave legendaries alone, buff other weapons to compete, or just add a playlist to every game mode with exotics prohibited. I personally would go for a legendary and below only playlist.
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Yes, but not at range. Thorn wins out there. TLW is better than Thorn at close range though from hipfire. It has a faster time to kill than Thorn within that range. The DOT is what makes Thorn OP though. Without it or if the DOT couldn't kill you but just reduces your health to minimum, the Thorn wouldn't be OP at all.
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TLW is definitely worse. Kills much quicker.
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Both are cheap. But TLW is nowhere near as douchey
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Just sayin tlw can kill quicker but i think only better players are actually good with it, that is why i stick to red death cause im bad with tlw and i prefer red death to thorn
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Three rapid bodyshots for a kill is pretty cheap.
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No handcannon should 2 shot unless there is some sort of luck involved. Fix that and the game will feel balanced.
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12 RepliesAll handcannons need a nerf compared to other weapons. Hawkmoon does 120ish dmg with the lucky bullet. Thorn does 85 plus dot an additional 35 dmg all the time. No random bullet. The last words range is too long. There dhould be tremendous drop off dmg on hand cannons esp TLW. It's a hip fire run n gun style weapon for close encounters. I've been killed soo far away so quickly. Thorn def needs a nerf if 90% of all trials matches or trials kills are from 1 weapon. There's a reason why Noone uses Montecarlo or hardlight. There's also a reason why everyone uses thorn, last word, or hawkmoon. Hand cannons in general just need to be balanced just like everything else. I'm switching to black ops 3 regardless of how destiny improves, which it wont.
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1 ReplyLast word is only op when it chooses to be lol literally and the only reason its more op now is because the perk is bugged i still do bonus percision damage when firing aimed its supposed to be from the hip. Thorn is more op because its the best gun from all ranges dot is not the problem here at all its the reload speed and amount of ammo in a mag. When they buffed thorn thats exactly what they did to it when it became op ivr had it sense week 2. The gun was good if you knew how to get headshots it was always a 2 shot headshot when the dot was at 7 not 4. Now with the reload speed out the roof and the amount of ammo in a clip you can spam shots and not be penalized for missing or just hitting body shots. Dot is built for post mordems thats a mechanic built into the thorn which is fine only gun built that way.
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I personally rage way more when there is a good player with last word than thorn. But that's just me
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Probably not. I know too many people that can't aim TLW if their life depended on it. It's not easy to use like Thorn lol. The lack of range makes it a mid-range weapon hence the risk of getting killed is higher but the reward = you getting all the kills if you're good with it lol. TLW's hit box also is hit or miss from distance. Sometimes you fan fire and miss everything while other times it kills them before they can even fire :/ Thorn...just sit back and snipe and collect assists and kills XD
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TLW takes more skill. I forgot how much I used to use the weapon after I got Red Death and Thorn.
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TLW's range and slow reload is what keeps that gun from being broken. TLW is arguably the number 1 go to for a 1v1 close quarters fight.
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Edited by Sweeper Frame: 7/1/2015 5:13:03 PMBoth guns are extremely good, but I suck with TLW and refuse to use thorn. My personal favorite is mida, combine fleetfooted and both mida speed perks and I go fast
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The last word is balanced out by its abysmal range. Thorn can two shot across the map has an amazing rate of fire and good stability
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TLW has a faster TTK doesn't it?
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2 RepliesThe last word can two shot head shot if you have the perks and it causes around 111 to the head-not sure of the exact number but it can two shot you
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I would say TLW would be fine if the hip-fire damage boost wasn't glitched. You shouldn't be able to hit 111's with it.
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TLW is much harder to use than thorn. You can't shoot someone twice across the map and kill him withDoT.
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2 RepliesNo last word takes some skill to land shots in hipfire
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2 Replieslol what is with these Xbox biased polls? Where the -blam!- is the hawkmoon, I am an xb1 player but still.
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It's pretty cheap, but there's a distinction. Thorn is cheap across all tactical engagements, whereas the cheapness of TLW diminishes over range. The fact that TLWs TTK is almost the same on the body as most weapons are on the head is a pretty notable issue.
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I get killed more by TLW than the Thorn by far. I think people notice Thorn because the DOT is so obvious