Before you dismiss this as yet another guardian wanting to see Thorn nerfed into the ground hear me out. I've seen plenty of posts about how Thorn is OP and other posts about how Thorn takes skill but no ones provided solutions. Admittedly, yes I have used Thorn, most recently in this weeks trials matches. Despite this I would much rather have any other handcannon by my side (TLW). I used it because the poison insures that the person im shooting will be killed [i]however[/i] I always make sure my bullets kill him first. The poison is just an [i]insurance policy[/i] in case my target runs away. But now onto the fixes. I personally do [i]not[/i] want to see Thorn get nerfed too hard. It is an exotic after all, exotics are supposed to feel overpowered. But just like the Vex Mythoclast in the days of old the Thorn [b][i]is[/i][/b] OP. Here are my thoughts on how to fix it.
1. [b][i]Reduce the visual effect of the poison[/b][/i]. By doing this outgunning a Thorn user would be easier as you can actually see the person you're shooting at.
Now this is where it gets interesting. There are such things as a three-shotting handcannon am I right? Sure the poison decreases the ttk (time to kill) by a margin but to me the most frustrating part of being Thorned is the fact that me and my opponent can have a fair firefight, both of us being at full health and it being one on one, me outgunning the Thorner with the last bit of health and then dying to poison. Even though my skill surpassed that of the Thorner I still died to him. Here is my solution to that.
2. [b][i]Reduce the poisons damage by 66% after the player using the Thorn has been killed[/i][/b]. This will ensure that if we have a fair firefight I can survive because I outgunned the Thorner.
Now you might be asking, why not just remove the poison effect completely after you kill the Thorner? This is because there must be a compromise. If youre an adamant Thorn user you would become upset if Thorns one little ability is taken away. My solution doesnt take it away but it makes it it weaker. Now if you do die to Thorn with this tweak to it you were either
A.) Already low on health and unable to gun your opponent down
B.) Outgunned by the Thorn user
So what do you all say? I'm certain my ideas are a bit flawed but hey at least I tried. Please, contribute any suggestions you feel like. Its not Thorn we have a problem with. Its the poison from which the Thorn gives.
3. [b][i]Reduce the ammo count to at least 7-axeinyoface[/i][/b] This insures that Thorner will be more careful and less spamy
3$. [b][i]Reduce the ammo to at least 5 or 6, but increase the reload speed ever so slightly[/i][/b]
In short: 1. [b][i]Reduce the visual effect of the poison[/b][/i].
2. [b][i]Reduce the poisons damage by 66% after the player using the Thorn has been killed[/i][/b].
Other Suggestions- [i]Make the poison proc a 50% chance[/i]
[i]Reduce stability and/or rate of fire[/i]
Edit 1: Haha! I thought id get at least 2 reads. Anyway thanks for the feedback guys, the more reads the better!
Edit 2: Over a hundred comments guys! GG. Weve gotten some pretty great ideas too!
Edit 3: Finally, 117 reads. My life is all right now.
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Necrobump
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Ayy lmao
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I understand the hate towards Thorn, however, no one was upset about it being complete garbage in the beginning and when it was then buffed, i still saw little use of it. Even now with Trials, a good sniper and scout rifle can counter a Thorn. The gun caters to the play style of many and is easy to use because of other player's styles. The shotgun strategy makes it easy to pick off a guy running up to try and blow your head off with a shot package with two quick shots to the opponents head. If anything, we shouldn't nerf these guns, but we should buff auto rifles and fusion rifes back to their former glory. Maybe then you could counter a Thorn with a Suros or Vex. I agree with the visual effect nerf but not damage or lingering.
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Edited by Powermix24: 7/5/2015 4:26:53 AMThorn can be out gunned. happens to me .
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How about everyone stops asking to change Thorn because it's NOT THAT HARD TO OUT GUN IT. I myself use thorn and I get out gunned plenty of times. What's the big deal about it? Jeez!
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Sounds good to me. Also, buff auto rifles. #neverforget
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PEOPLE USE THIS WEAPON IN PVE TOO. The game does not revolve around you PvP kids. Reducing the ammo count or stability or anything like that would make this thing shit in PvE.
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Yup I have a huge beef with dying after killing a Thorn owner.
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If we buffed AR's, reduced the range of the exotic HC's, and dropped the thorns stability then we'd be in balanced waters.
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with this community. its nerf.... [b]OR NOTHING[/b]
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I agree with everything but don't reduce the damage just reduce how long it last. I can outrun any thorn just it last for so long and kills me out of no where.
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50% chance for each shot to cause lingering damage would be nice
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Just make it slower it shoots to fast other than that it'd be all good
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Slow down fire rate so it's in line with all the other hand cannons it's damage output is very high and so is it's fire rate now if it shot at the rate of say a hawkmoon or fate bringer it would take more skill to use the gun seeing how you just can't spam body shots as quickly
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Every blaming day it's going to be nerfed & so is TLW just be patient
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Get over it man. I you can't deal with it . Just don't play it dude . When everyone see threads like these , all we see is "whine scrub bitch" ...... Really!! Move on.
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I've proposed this in many thorn posts: make its dot proc 35% of the time. That makes it a higher 2-hit rate than hawkmoon, but at the added cost of dot time. Maybe even make the last round a guaranteed proc. Seems fair. This would reduce overall reliance on thorn while leaving it a viable option.
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TLDR it's another person complaining about how OP thorn is even though it is easy to out gun and the fact that I do in fact own the gun but don't use it anymore shows that it's really not worth it. Thorn doesn't need nerfed auto rifles need buffed
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I like the reduced clip size idea
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I play a fair amount of PvP and dabble in Trials. I am really surprised to see so many Nerf Thorn posts. From my experience most Thorn users including Trials are mediocre with the weapon. The people that are proficient with Thorn are just going to switch to TLW, Hawkmoon, Red Death, Messenger or whatever gives them the edge for the engagement they face. For sure this is what I am going to do. Fact is against a proficient user of several other weapons the proficient Thorn user will lose. Thorn is not as OP as so many make it out to be. In the right hands Thorn is a beast, but the same applies to many other primaries if in the right hands. Even though I am a Day 1 player and have had a Thorn since October, I only started to use a Thorn for PvP about 2 weeks ago. Read a lot of Nerf posts so I wanted to see if I can get the hang of it for PvP use and possibly prep for Trials. Now I am starting to like hand cannons for PvP. I have all the guns available in Destiny except the Queen Breakers Bow. If Thorn gets nerfed I will push to master TLW and Hawkmoon.
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here is an idea,..... delete the crucible... people stop complaining and no weapons need to be nerfed or buffed, saves bungie shitloads of time to create an awesome RAID!!!!
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Exotics are not meant to be overpowered. They said this: "Exotics are meant to feel overpowered without actually being overpowered"
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I think hawkmoon is a better HC, hits hard, shoots long and just feels right.
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Reducing ammo would allow final round to be more effective