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I see people saying you should be matched by skill level If trials was broken down by skill level the ultimate goal would not be achieved. The lighthouse is meant to honor the [b]BEST[/b] PvP players in destiny. Not the best players in your skill bracket. I get what you are saying but this isn't an everybody wins elementary school T-Ball league. This is hardcore competitive PvP tournament for the [b]BEST[/b]. If you can't beat the other team then you are unworthy of being in the lighthouse period. Trials of Osiris caters to hardcore players and rewards them. It is not a design flaw at all. "But it's not fair, 90% of us will never get there" exactly that's the point! Choosing your battles and only playing people you can beat in a system designed for the best is [b][i][u]CHEATING[/u][/i][/b]. You deserve your bans.
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  • And they honor you with some of the best guns in the game, yet PVE players who beat 35 POE, get guns with essentially only 1 primary perk

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  • Because you know the other day I was fighting a shank and I caught myself thinking "man these things are so OP. I wish I could do bonus damage against them" 2-3 shots is to slow, I'm glad Bungie considered this #srslybng

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  • ;)

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  • The Trials primaries aren't that great, even with burns. You're not missing out on much if you don't get them.

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  • All poe guns have 1 perk because bungie wouldn't make the specific enemy burn separate like with vog and ce, not that it would help, wolves leash and aegis of the Kell are bad because high RoF and low impact guns suck, 6 dregs pride is just fate bringer without any of the perks that make it good, and the claw is an auto rifle so it's already weak

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  • I have a couple, The scholar is essentially Zeus's penis, jewel of osiris is one of the most statistically gifted handcannons and the summoner is probably the best auto in the game as of now

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  • PVE is easy

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  • Edited by oneoftheslowkids: 6/11/2015 1:10:02 AM
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  • I feel you. If people want brackets tho then it should only be fair that the highest bracket makes it to the light house. If you want to make it to the lighthouse then you have to improve your teams records or stats to move up to the next bracket until you can make it to the final bracket where you can contend for the lighthouse. Anything else would just give an excuse for the bad kids to make it the the light house. So this is the only way I can see it improved. I think it's absolutely fine as it is. It truly isn't a competitive mode just more competitive than what we've seen from destiny thus far. Average players can still make me and friend have carried an absolute horrid player before so honestly I don't get why people complain.

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  • I think that would work perfectly. Bungie did it in halo reach with the arena playlist. You played a minimum of 3 games to get an average rating, then your rating was added to several different divisions, the highest being Onyx. By that logic you would need to win 9 with your final rating placing you in that category to proceed with lighthouse glory!

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  • Thank you. To me it's the most logical way for those who complain. Problem is more people would complain now. Also since there are no dedicated servers there will just be cheaters among cheaters just like leaderboard standings.

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  • The way it is now it is not made for the "best" a below average person can easily make it to the lighthouse with a little luck on their side. What I mean by luck is getting matched up with people below their skill level. Ranked matchmaking would eventually put people to the test but as it stands right now that is not the case

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  • This is not "hardcore" if teams full of ballers are being paired against teams full of scrubs.

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  • Yes it is? All teams have the same potential of fighting scrubs as they do ballers, thus everyone has a fair spread of potential enemy teams over the course of their trials.

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  • So you'd consider it hardcore that a team of 3 actual friends who have been playing FPSs together since Halo end up playing a bunch of random squeakers who found each other on the Destiny companion app? I'm not saying that everyone doesn't have the same chance of playing good players or scrubs, but it certainly isn't "hardcore". Halo matchmaking based on rank was more "hardcore" than ToO. Destiny PvP is just lazy, as is evidenced by the extreme overuse of exotic hand cannons and shotguns. "Hardcore" would be a mode with the ToO elimination style without supers and shotguns, possibly with a rotating primary that everyone starts with. Or at least Bungie could balance the weapons better to where everything is a threat instead of Thorn, TLW, and Hawkmoon.

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  • There are certainly people that are threatening with everything, or at a very basic, snipers. That is the level of hardcore that guaranteed trials flawless passages should be awarded to. For the most part this is what occurs. The idea here remains: loot is distributed upon the lucky and the talented, think of the "lucky" aspect as just another grace of Destiny's RNG. [u]The luck factor actually makes the lighthouse more accessible.[/u] If only the top tier of players, so you're saying only MLG 50s, I suppose, would what? Fight each other in a bracket in order to decide who stays in the bracket and gets loot? And then all the other brackets don't get rewards? That makes little to know sense; the brother Vance vendor actually provides good access to content without any lighthouse access whatsoever. (Aside from adept weapons) bottom line, Destiny handles this system fine

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  • That's only if you leave the rewards as being given out according to wins, of course you're right in that regard, but if there were going to be brackets then you'd award people based on the highest bracket they can achieve over a series of games, the lowest brackets get middling rewards and the highest brackets get the best rewards.

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  • How would brackets be determined? Because my kd isn't super high but yet I've gone flawless multiple times. Are you saying I wouldn't get better rewards possible because I'd automatically be placed in lower brackets due to my skill even though my teamwork can overpower skill? Basically you are describing exactly what they already have. People are rewarded for their brackets based on a series of games (How many wins they get over a series of games). How many they win determines which rewards they get. This is already in place. Not everyone is going to get to the lighthouse which is what everyone expects to do. With buffs you can get all the rewards besides lighthouse by going 6-3. If you can't go 6-3 you can't get all the rewards possible besides the flawless rewards. If you can go 3-3 with buffs you can buy armor. 4-3 and you get etheric light. It is fairly easy already people just think they should all get all the rewards so splitting up rewards for brackets would have the same complaints

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  • And yes I'd be saying you shouldn't have ever gotten the good rewards if you can't get into a high bracket, and neither should I because I'm not that good either. Honestly if you're not very good and you went 9-0 then you were just lucky with bad opponents, and you never deserved to go to the lighthouse in the first place. Neither do I for that matter, but people worse than me have gotten there by luck while I keep getting matched against pro's every time, which is stupid. This entire system is luck-based more than skill-based, and it shouldn't be that way.

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  • I'm good but what would you base the brackets on, if it is kd then mine is on average 1.4 which isn't that amazing. I've beat plenty of good teams and kd isn't everything. Trials is largely teamwork based. If you manage brackets based on just kd then I would appear in a lower bracket and yet I can hold my own and beat people with higher kds with my teamwork

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  • You manage them on the amount of wins verse losses in trials alone.

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  • That is how its set up already. You are rewarded based on wins

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  • I'm not talking about rewards im talking about how we are matched

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  • I just told you it would be based on wins, use K/D as a starting point and if you win against teams in your bracket you advance, if you lose you are demoted. And you can average the brackets of everyone on the team to find an appropriate match with opponents if you swap between teams of friends, so you would go up with your bracket or down based on winning or losing and your friends would go up or down in theirs as well. And my K/D is about themselves as yours, and I'd say I'm good to, just not THAT good to deserve going to the lighthouse if it's supposed to be for the best of the best.

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  • Best of the best isn't all about kd though. Also this would basically eliminate all less skilled people from doing it and making finding a group extremely difficult. Nobody would want to play in a lower bracket for less rewards and wouldn't want to help friends if it meant they would end up losing and lowering their bracket so it would turn into an extremely elitist game type where nobody wants to play with anyone remotely worse than themselves

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