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Edited by Lit Dandelion: 6/10/2015 12:44:49 AM
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Five weapons that can help against thorn in crucible

After seeing so many people complain about thorn being too op and needing a nerf(even though it doesn't need one)I've decided to compile a list of weapons that could outclass thorn in a PvP battle.These are personal experience and weapon stat based. These are in no particular order 1.Red Death This exotic pulse rifle has great range,impact and rate of fire.It can kill guardians in [b]two[/b] bursts,which would easily outclass thorn.It will heal you after kills,so it negates the DoT.Easily one of the best PvP weapons in the game 2.MIDA Multi Tool Underestimated by most of Destiny's community,this beast can allow you to strafe easily and land crits.It can fire quicker than most other scout rifles,and with it doing about 55 crit dmg per hit,it can take down someone's health pretty quickly.If you have the aim,this thing will wreck in the right hands. 3.Spare Change.25 Carbon copy of red death.Except frees up an exotic slot.Kills in two bursts,and has great range and stability for a pulse rifle 4.Vex Mythoclast While at medium to long range this gun cannot perform well,at close it's an absolute beast.Its high impact of a fusion rifle and it's fire rate proves it to hit hard.Since most of Destiny's maps are close range(example:Cauldron,Pantheon,Anomaly) it tends to have an easy time on most maps.Run with it and you will most likely win all of your 1v1s in crucible 5.Almost all Osiris exclusive primaries These weapons are awarded to people who go undefeated in trials,and they're definitely worth it.While also being stellar PvE weapons,they have proved themselves in PvP.The jewel of Osiris has better stats than thorn(other than rate of fire)and can defeat it at close to mid range.The messenger,from what I've heard,behaves similarly to red death.Meaning that it can easily kill you in 2-3 bursts and it can fire quickly.The scholar is just another hard hitting low recoil scout rifle,which agains like the other two can outclass thorn.They were built for PvP. Hopefully some people realize that there is more than one way to skin a cat,or that you can beat thorn without thorn Edit:Necrochasm is apparently good too.I didn't say it.Some dude in the comments did Edit #2:Cause the playas gonna play play play.H8rs gonna h8 h8 h8.Imma shake it off,shake it off. Edit #3We are at 1000 replies.Let this thread die

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  • If the thorn user is just the absolute worst (takes more than three shots to kill someone due to missing/not getting easy two shot crit kills) then yes these weapons are viable but if the user has used thorn for longer than three seconds they easily outclass most of these by shooting twice and ducking. Red death's two burst kill is inconsistent since you need to land all headshots. Healing helps against dot but if the user two shot hides they win. I just don't like mida because it feels like the bullets do nothing, even on all crits and if you aren't running radiant dance machines you aren't really using mida. Vex will sometimes charge like a fusion rifle because Bungie still can't fix problems that their patches cause. So it's automatically striked from the list. Vision is alright I don't particularly enjoy it in crucible as scout rifles typically don't have a place in all these short range encounters although I can see its use in long range trials maps. The jewel really isn't great unless you are using icarus to its full extent. It's stats are pretty much fatebringer, which isn't a great pvp handcannon archetype for legendaries. The scholar is the king of scout rifles and the messenger is a better (more consistent) two shot kill than red death from watching my friend play with it. Those are your best bets if you aren't a playstation user. Hawkmoon is the best exotic primary by far once you get a hang of the fire rate and recoil pattern. It's effective range is near infinite with hardly any damage drop-off. If you're lucky you can quickly two shot a Thorn before they fire their second shot, and each shot may as well have high cal rounds as it makes the victim flail their arms like they just don't care. If you're a real pro you can see a hallway full of enemies and let aim assist take the wheel as it just delivers free 2-3 shot kills while you spray 13 rounds of pure rng death. The only downside is that sometimes hawkmoon is so amazing that you'll fire shots directly into someone's chest and it does so much damage all at once that the game doesn't even register despite knowing you hit them.

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  • I don't know, because I'm not a crucible scout user, but I've tried vision beige and don't think it's that great. I'll take the Praedyths Timepiece over it and any weapon on this list excluding the Messenger. I've killed thorn faster than they could get their second shot off and can outgun red death with ease.

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    • Shotgun King999 I'm very disappointed that you did not include one of the most obvious choices to outwit a thorn user, especially given your name sake. Universal Remote, enough said. [spoiler]this junker, is a beast[/spoiler]

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      • I don't have trouble 1v1 with thorn, most people use it because they need to, so they're pretty easy to take down. The issue for me is just the mass amount of scrubs using it. Every firefight I find myself in ends because of some scrub who jumps into the fight, and lands just one shot before dying. 1v1 it's no problem, but I still get killed by it all the time. Firefight is over, all enemies are dead, and wait for it, now so am I.

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        • You must be on Xbox, hawkmoon is better

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        • Hawkmoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

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          • Mods hits for 55, vision of confluence hits for 61. Clearly you haven't used these two

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          • Red Death and Mida all day. Very efficient guns. My jam

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          • VoC does not crit for 70. That would make it a 3 headshot kill which it isn't. Only extremely high impact scouts like ib's demise and the trials scout can do that.

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            • Got both of my characters to level five in iron banner already, I kicked a$$ with MIDA, Party crasher/spear and Jolder's. I out shot many Thorns with MIDA, the hidden staggering perk is so underrated.

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            • Nope. Those guns are not all around better than thorn. They are better if you play with them in specific scenarios.

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              • For me, Mida works well in regular crucible on certain maps. In IB it just doesn't work as well. Hit 10 headshots and still one shotted from sniper range by Thorn. Tested out VoC. Did not fare as well as I had hoped. Don't have a Vex but have been killed by it many times. Enough that I am angry they fixed it but still have done absolutely nothing to fix the ARs. Red Death does work well. I use it on the bigger maps with success. Don't have any Osiris gear so no comment.

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                • Edited by jlydonut: 6/7/2015 5:56:34 PM
                  red hand is amazing

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                • For each of your solutions it is required to hit precision shots while the thorner can spam your toe 3 times in the same amount of time... And you'll still die

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                • hawkmoon > thorn

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                • My Red Hand IX consistently beats thorn and I'm not great at crucible so...

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                  • The MIDA is one of the best. If you play to its advantages you can easily take out most Thorn users.

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                  • Pulse rifles. Hawkmoon. Mida vex.

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                  • Bad juju is the best

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                  • All these arguments are great assuming the player wielding these weapons have them fully upgraded.

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                  • This list should be called all weapons that can compete with thorn. Or maybe all weapons slightly worse than thorn in most situations

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                  • Eres muy estúpido

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                  • Those weapons are NOT better. There just capable weapons. I love pvp. But the amount of games that 90% of people are running around with hand cannons is ruining it for me. I'm so burned out on hand cannons at this point I'm going to give pvp a break for a bit. Until they either buff other weapons to be comparable to the hand cannons or make some minor changes to the hand cannons everyone is so damn obsessed with.

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                  • SNIPER RIFLES

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                    • Edited by Hiatus: 6/7/2015 5:34:35 PM
                      Red death kills in 2 [b]bursts[/b] Thorn kills in 2 [b]shots[/b] If you die, no power in the verse will get that health regeneration to save you Mida? Had it since week 1. No VoC? Auto perk is useless. Vex? Gee close range weapon.

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                      • I like my zero point LOTP with full auto...stability is good for me too..it's on my warlock

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