After seeing so many people complain about thorn being too op and needing a nerf(even though it doesn't need one)I've decided to compile a list of weapons that could outclass thorn in a PvP battle.These are personal experience and weapon stat based.
These are in no particular order
1.Red Death
This exotic pulse rifle has great range,impact and rate of fire.It can kill guardians in [b]two[/b] bursts,which would easily outclass thorn.It will heal you after kills,so it negates the DoT.Easily one of the best PvP weapons in the game
2.MIDA Multi Tool
Underestimated by most of Destiny's community,this beast can allow you to strafe easily and land crits.It can fire quicker than most other scout rifles,and with it doing about 55 crit dmg per hit,it can take down someone's health pretty quickly.If you have the aim,this thing will wreck in the right hands.
3.Spare Change.25
Carbon copy of red death.Except frees up an exotic slot.Kills in two bursts,and has great range and stability for a pulse rifle
4.Vex Mythoclast
While at medium to long range this gun cannot perform well,at close it's an absolute beast.Its high impact of a fusion rifle and it's fire rate proves it to hit hard.Since most of Destiny's maps are close range(example:Cauldron,Pantheon,Anomaly) it tends to have an easy time on most maps.Run with it and you will most likely win all of your 1v1s in crucible
5.Almost all Osiris exclusive primaries
These weapons are awarded to people who go undefeated in trials,and they're definitely worth it.While also being stellar PvE weapons,they have proved themselves in PvP.The jewel of Osiris has better stats than thorn(other than rate of fire)and can defeat it at close to mid range.The messenger,from what I've heard,behaves similarly to red death.Meaning that it can easily kill you in 2-3 bursts and it can fire quickly.The scholar is just another hard hitting low recoil scout rifle,which agains like the other two can outclass thorn.They were built for PvP.
Hopefully some people realize that there is more than one way to skin a cat,or that you can beat thorn without thorn
Edit:Necrochasm is apparently good too.I didn't say it.Some dude in the comments did
Edit #2:Cause the playas gonna play play play.H8rs gonna h8 h8 h8.Imma shake it off,shake it off.
Edit #3We are at 1000 replies.Let this thread die
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5 RepliesAll of this is wrong based on the simple fact that people flock towards what is best naturally.
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Couldn't agree more, this is so true
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Yeah I've started steering away from thorn so as im not disappointed by the nerf that's coming. My messenger is a 2-3 trigger pull kill. Honestly I used to use thorn alot, but I honestly do think the range for it needs to be nerfed.
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2 RepliesTLW, Vex, NL Shadow 701, Jewel of Osiris
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1 ReplyIll.will Red hand IX Hawkmoon (wish i had, I'm on xbox) Deadshot luna with full auto Loner.rebel
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Miss only does ~ 54 per crit.
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1 ReplyWell The Last Word,Hawkawesome and Timurs Lash with luck in the chamber can outcalls thorn if used rightly.
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Best counter is NLB hands down.
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5 should be Last Word dependent on map.
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Osiris hand cannon is crap. But isn't the nl shadow 701x better than vision of confluence? I thought so. Also, Timur's Lash & Ill Will can be nice with the 2 shot headshot kill. The Last Word is also pretty beast. Up The Ante has the same rate of fire & impact, better range, & larger mag size.
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9 RepliesOver souls edict
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5 RepliesYou forgot the red hand IX. Look at the one on my Titan. It outshoots thorn every time. I'm in love with it
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7 RepliesNo, nothing can contend with the two head shot kills.
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5 RepliesRevelator. Faster straight ttk, best aim assist of any hand cannon, and you can add on litc or final word. Or both. Bite me, thorn Spare change. Red death damage with more range, and better aim assist or head seeker or glass half full. Ouch. Bad juju. Forget ttk, I'll just Titan Smash a minute in. Ill will. Litc+final round=dead thorn user. Universal remote. Haven't stopped running in anomaly. I don't use thorn anymore. I don't need any more postmortem medals or assists. Time to move on, thorn users
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2 RepliesOnce someone says Last Word is better than Thorn, I really go DERP and loose all thought. A good question to validate this is simply ask "how many thorn users who have last word would prefer to use last word over thorn". It's always comes down to the "well in this situation" argument but frankly I'd prefer my situation to be starting the game with a rocket launcher or a HMG but that's the idea: thorn doesn't have a weak area whether it be range, short, or strafe-firing. Thorn's range can compete with good scout rifles, short range, even if its a body shot, will force players to either risk a second shot and die or wait on the DoT to wear off. Last Word was nice on the mars map during the Wolves launch that week but you had most short distances to work with and you often found yourself using the whole fanfire to unload everything to ensure you got a corpse instead of a barely live guardian who might shotty you. Red Death is also situational; if you're on the other side of the map for Pantheon and Anomaly and own "B" and you know the other side has multiple Thorn users, it makes taking B that much harder. I've gotten Thorn users on my scout which is surprisingly an NL Shadow but I typically NEED that first shot in and it to be a precision hit to ensure that if they get a 2nd shot i have time to dodge and live through the DoT.
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Wrong.
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13 RepliesEdited by : ^ ): 6/7/2015 6:29:23 AMEhhh, you're not really looking into the fact that the weapons only excel in the certain areas. Thorn is kind of a jack of all trades, while being slightly lackluster in CQB. These guns barely outshine Thorn in one area of engagement. I think I've died to MIDA once out of my 7,920 deaths. I really don't see someone outgunning me if I'm using Thorn. Visions is in the same boat. Vex only shines in CQB as the Last Word does as well. The only two weapons that IMO outshine Thorn is Red Death and the Messenger. These two weapons assimilate if you're accurate. Red Death has some spread issues at range, but it should still three burst enemies.
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6 RepliesWhat about my matador sniper? Great range on it, and rangefinder.
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Id say last word is better and mida is awesome the vex for me is the worst weapon to face because as a mida user I can't strafe out of its way! And even if I land my head shots it damages more quickly but for me praedth revenge is the no1 weapon in the game rate of fire and stability is so good it's useable at close range to quick body shots and obviously the one shot kill!
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6 RepliesLast word beats thorn too
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Edited by Talk2MeToner: 6/7/2015 6:29:12 AMThorn is better than every single gun you named and I have them all... I use them all.. And I choose thorn only when I'm doing bad and need a crutch.
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ur name is shotgun king can't take this seriously
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4 RepliesHuh, look at that guys a handful of weapons can competent with one gun, and most are exotic says something doesn't it?
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62 RepliesDestiny Time to kill 1. Thorn .36 2. Red death .67 ( takes almost twice the time) 3. MIDA .90 (incredibly slow) 4. VoC 1 (yep) 5. Messenger; fastest killing trials weapon .73 So yeah this post is 100% baseless, and frankly ignorant that you would declare it in a public forum.
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