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Edited by Lost Sols: 7/30/2016 7:41:22 PM
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Stop enabling Bizarro Bungie, it's time for endgame matchmaking.

Edit/prologue: This started as just a small post supporting matchmaking, it has grown into something more at this point. This is the community taking a stand and asking for in-game access to content we purchased, who don't believe they should have to leave the game to play the game. Opposing views are welcome as are suggestions to making the process of teaming up better/easier. Also please consider before calling people lazy or stupid for not just using LFG sites, that not everyone's life experience fits your own. Be it work, family, financial situation, whatever. There are many Guardians who just are not comfortable with playing with strangers. For them, using in game matchmaking is a huge step but one that they can get through. Going to a separate forum and posting for a group is something they will never be able to do and that doesn't make them bad people or any worse at this game than anyone, it just means they are wired differently than you. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/126184301/0/0 I appreciate all the support for the post and I hope Bungie are still listening ---------------------------OP---------------------------- There's no more guarantee of success through a random group on LFG sites as there would be with in-game matchmaking. By including matchmaking and making it optional, it would have zero impact on the experience of anyone who didn't want to use it. As the game stands now, without friends on that happen to have not run already, the amount of unplayable content without having to leave the game to search for people is just stupid. [b][u]Raids[/u][/b] I initially suggested a matchmaking solution, but after discussing this with a fellow guardian, I believe an in-game lfg would be perfect for raids. I think the approach to take would be like Gears and Perfect Dark ran their multiplayer. An individual could choose to host a raid, search for raids or be randomly placed in a raid. The host would form a lobby and have the ability to select a minimum level requirement, raid difficulty level and number of open spaces for randoms to join (in case they want to save a few spots for friends to join). Those not hosting could again, browse a list of available raid parties or just select to be placed automatically in one (choosing which difficulty to be placed in). There could be modifiers for whether or not in-progress raids are acceptable or not. This is also how Bungie could solve the issue of no private Crucible matches in Destiny, by doing lobbies hosted just like raids. One thing you found in both Perfect Dark and Gears was that when you are in a lobby and going game to game with the same group over and over, even people that don't talk are talking by the third or fourth game. It's such an incredibly social approach and one I've never understood why Bungie never tried in Halo https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/129939506/0/0 [b][u]Prison of Elders[/u][/b] The level 28 is a joke. It's a minimal challenge with 3 randoms whether they're talking or not. Once you've run the level 28, you pretty much know what to do in higher difficulties. -Kill enemies. Disarm mine. Destroy mine. Kill target. Revive dead teammate. I’ve yet to have a group talk in the 28, but I’ve been invited twice to do the 34 after and everyone talked in it. There is no reason to not have matchmaking for the higher difficulties and beyond that, it’s mindboggling that there isn’t a system in place to remain grouped from the 28 if we choose and go right to the next difficulty. Another option could be to open the 34-35 matchmaking when we hit 34. A fellow guardian had the suggestion of matchmaking for the 28 and 32 and in-game LFG for the 34 and 35. Either way, we shouldn't be beholden to leaving the game to run them. [b][u]Trials of Osiris[/u][/b] This one is admittedly the most divisive. Most seem to agree there should be some form of MM for the rest. @Nico802vt made the point for ToO that [quote]If they had matchmaking you're most likely gonna get stomped. I bet you'd at some point run into someone without a mic and that is a KEY factor in being successful.[/quote] My response to that is [quote]That's a possibility, but I'd rather have that option and the chance to get in and play (and potentially run into good teammates to form a steady team) than not play at all. If I'm willing to take that risk, that should be my choice.[/quote] There's just no justifiable reason to release a 5 mission 1 strike expansion and make the endgame expansion 90% unplayable without friends on. If nothing else, there should be some matchmade equivalent to ToO, where we can at least meet others who want to run and possibly find teammates for the regular ToO. [b][u]Nightfalls[/u][/b] While I personally love to solo them, there's no reason to not have the option to search for a group for them either. So if you die, you RTO... You do that with a Fireteam too. Want an easy solution? When the randoms enter, [b]put them in a fireteam.[/b] Then if they wipe, they RTO together and can rerun it. There's a lot that is really great and really fun with this game and yet it's constantly undermined by maddening ancillary decisions. -no matchmaking -lack of vault space -inability to delete consumables to clear what little vault space exists -shipping with virtually no default chat options -shifting, confusing and often useless economies -lack of checkpoint or progress save systems for a game with an entire Zoo full of connection errors -virtually no online forum chat presence. Oh look, a thread with a Bungie reply! [quote]I'm moving this to #feedback yadda yadda.[/quote] -ignoring the actual feedback posts with great ideas for improving the game and instead catering to the nerf crowd. You pretty much pioneered console online matchmaking for the original Xbox, but haven't evolved at all in the last decade. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Edit: I gave DeeJ crap for leaving the discussion and accused him of turtling. I’m not going to back off the belief that as the go-between for us and Bungie, he should be willing to participate in more give and take with the community. I understand that sometimes people push too far and I have gone to bat for him in posts where people have personally attacking him, but it is not unreasonable to expect him to accept and respond to feedback to his statement. There are so many amazing posts and stories in this thread explaining why the current system just doesn't work for some people. I hope Bungie are actually paying attention and understanding there are casualties to their philosophy. The vast majority of posts have been overwhelmingly supportive, but there have been a few anti-matchmaking posts peppered in. Some have led real conversation and idea exchange, but most have come down to the same thought process. FEAR. HATE. MISTRUST. FEAR [quote]You’re going to get grouped with AFKers, trolls and people who suck[/quote] HATE [quote]I’m not gonna carry noobs and squeakers through ToO! I get twice the kills in strikes as my idiot teammates!”[/quote] MISTRUST [quote]Most people probably won’t use mics or won’t know what weapons to use.[/quote] I don't understand the notion that we should restrict content for millions, because someone might be bad or mean. You can’t go through life afraid of what might happen. ------------------------------------------------------------ Edit: Back to DeeJ, if you’re going to weigh in on a topic, it’s fair to expect you not just post and leave. There are too many guardians in this post that have valid concerns, questions, and reasons why LFG just doesn't work for them. They want answers and I believe they deserve to be heard and they deserve a response. I would say to anyone who wants legitimate answers and real change towards what we the players want as opposed to what Bungie feel is best for us... Keep bumping for truth. Thank you to all who've commented and read this far. See you all amongst the stars.

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  • Edited by mgzilla: 6/9/2015 3:07:05 PM
    [spoiler]better have "additional matchmaking options" with taken King or by the time it comes out. If not, say goodbye to at least half the playerbase[/spoiler] [spoiler]$40 lulz[/spoiler]

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    • They need optional matchmaking for every event. They say endgame is too hard? Let us decide that. If I want to group up with friends or find a group on an lfg site like now I should be able to. I should also be able to jump in matchmaking if I want. Bungee seems to think matchmaking is some disastrous thing but as long as it's another option for us too use it's a good thing. Use it if you want or get your own group, the choice should be ours. Most mmos have a system like this in place and it works very well. Bungee has stated Destiny is not an mmo but in reality it really is.

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      • BUUUMMMPPPP!!!!

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          • Bump. I don't have time to look online to get people together to play. Matchmaking is the only solution and its incredible this isn't standard for all events. It should be if you have a fireteam then matchmaking does not become an option when entering events, however a solo player gets this option in game. Fkn simple. Bungie probably have some psychologist advising that more people will ask friends to buy this game so they can play end game content and no matchmaking forces this. Sorry to say but since I CBF spending my time looking for ransoms I will shelve this game until matchmaking is a reality.

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              • Bump. This post is so dead on. I have been saying matchmaking is a must. I am a full time student and full time employ. I don't want to waste time in forums to look for a group. I have invited people from the tower and tried VoG and the group sucked. I do not see how the tower is considered a social space...we cannot talk on the mic and basically cannot interact with other guardians unless me send random invites to strangers. I do not see how that is social. I love the world of destiny however I am really starting to hate bungie for doing everything half ass. I also do not see how the last two expansions are even called expansions...there is barely any story line. It is basically over priced download content. The currency is horrible as well. The loot system has improved with the newest expansion but I receive rare items so much that they should be called common items. I also think there should be a trade system. I only play with 2 people and their gear is crap. I find it only fair I should be able to trade with them since I get the same loot almost every time I log on. My character is level 33 and I don't see how a level 11 fallen can do considerable damage to me when I am 22 levels above him. I feel like my armor is pointless. A real expansion should have new characters, races, classes, and a great story line not what you have done with the last two. I feel like I am getting ripped off. I feel like bungie doesn't care about its customers.

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                • I just bumped this so hard my hands hurt!

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                      • Agree with everything! We are the gamers and the customer, we should have a choice!

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                        • I've been more on the non-matchmaking side for awhile and this post definitely makes me think harder about my stance on the subject. I myself think that an in game LFG would suit the game better and your in game LFG idea is one of the best I've heard. It lets people stay in the game and at the same time opens up a world of opportunities for those who previously haven't had time to find groups on third party sites. Although I wouldn't limit it to just raids. I'd open it up for a cumulative LFG for any and all game types so people just have others to play with at any time. Let's face it. Sure, we all pretty much have friends but it's not always where someone has 5 friends on the same console, on the same game, at the same time. People get bored of games so eventually there will be less friends to play with on Destiny. And I understand some people's lives are busy. They don't want to have to deal with extra time finding a time. I myself work 40+ hours a week. I know the feeling. Over all, yes. We need *something* different from the system we have now. I just think that we need to have it to where there's ease of access while still getting the communication between teammates that you need. I think in game LFG would do just that. Thank you for the very constructive post! You bring up many good points :)

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                          • I go [b][i][u]bump[/u][/i][/b] in the night.

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                              • Bump for making wait so 4ucking long on the PS3.......4uck you Bungie.

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                                • Bungie should be ashamed they put customers through this.

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                                  • This. All of it. This game is like 90% casual MMO, sort of, and then all the high end stuff and the ability to reach max level are tied to that 10% that is not casual because of no matchmaking or in game lobby system for that 10% of the game. It's inconsistent and has kept me from playing as much as I'd like to and I know I'm not the only one. Please support ALL of your player types.

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                                    • Love this!

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                                      • Edited by DHG killerm111: 6/14/2015 1:14:14 AM
                                        I fully support this thread and feel as Bungie is making it so some members have more opportunities and ability to get the endagme gear and level cap. [spoiler] I am one of the fortunate that have many friends on the game so I am in no way bias [/spoiler]

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                                        • This is a fantastic post and one of many from fans of destiny, yet bungie is just ignoring them. Deej talks the talk - without actually saying anything of any value I might add (week after week) - yet nothing is changing, or if it is, like the welcome edition of POE , it is so minimal that it squeezes another week or two out've the game then it's back to square one of unrelenting disappointment again. Bungie better have something amazing to say at E3 that's all I'm saying. I'm now playing ESO and the difference in what that game offers compared to this is phenomenal. Bungie's whole Dev team need to go on a course hosted by Bethesda on how to make a multiplayer game full of content.

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                                        • I totally agree that bungie got lazy with this game. Hell they can't even create new weapon skins for the guns. Like the new scout rifles are all fang of it yuts but different colors. Like really bungie? Not to mention u created the end game around if you have a ghallajorn or not. Sure you might be able to do 35 PoE without one. But its gonna take you 6 hrs instead of 2. I really don't understand what they were thinking when they released House of Wolves. I figured they were gonna go back add some more story line so the game actually makes sense but no! They've made it abundantly clear that this game was meant for pvp and pvp only. The other shit is just bonus and kids play because of how weak it is.

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                                          • I dont do that lfg crap i play my game to play not freakin hunt down ppl just so i can play. And also honestly you dont have to all have mics anyway you can hear whats bein said on the tv. ALSO......... My biggest buster for people who dont want matchmaking is......... Wait for it......... Go into a activity with a full fire team and it wont have any affect on you oh my gosh thats so complitated isnt it. Not to mention half the time i dont even do the fun activities because i dont feel like finding ppl to run it....... If i want to play i should be able to click and go dang

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                                              • He'll yeah nice post I agree totally and I'm sick and tired of bungie and deej and there sarcastic responses I mean you keep saying we read the forums. really?do you now? Than since this is the hottest subject on the forum maybe optional mm should be top of the list to get done. Ps and not just one mode or one strike or just the daily do it on all every aspect of the game

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