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By Bruce Malone [quote]In the 1700's many scientists believed that life spontaneously generated from non-living matter (such as raw meat or sewage). In the 1800's, using careful experimentation, Louis Pasteur prove this concept wrong and verified that life only comes from previously existing life. Ironically, many scientists have once again return to believe that life came from nonlife... In spite of the fact that there is no experimental evidence to show how that could have happened. The reason this unsupported believe has returned is that science has been defined to eliminate the consideration of the only other alternative; the creation of life by an intelligent designer. Even the simplest living cell is an incredibly complex machine. It must be capable of detecting malfunctions, repairing itself, and making copies of itself. Man has never succeeded in building a machine capable of the same functions. Yet most scientists accept the belief that life arose from nonlife (in spite of the evidence clearly indicating that it did not and could not happen). This incredible belief is as absurd as finding a complex chemical manufacturing facility on Mars and assuming that it built itself. One classic experiment which is used to support the belief that life "built itself" is an experiment by Stanley Miller in 1953. In this experiment sparks were discharged into an apparatus which were circulating common gasses. These gases reacted to form various organic products which were collected and analyzed. Experiment succeeded in producing only a few of the 20 amino acids required by living cells. Yet the results have repeatedly been heralded as evidence that life could have arisen by itself. Furthermore, the dozens of major problems with this experiment as an explanation for the formation of life are seldom reported. For instance, are early atmosphere was assumed to have no oxygen because this would stop amino acid formation. However, with no oxygen, there would be no ozone shield. With no ozone shield, life would also be impossible. Furthermore, oxidize rocks throughout the geologic record indicate that oxygen has always been present. in addition to this, the same gases which can react to form amino acids undergo known reactions in the presence of sunlight which remove them from the atmosphere. The required gases would not have been around long enough for life to develop! In addition, a cold trap was used to keep the reaction products being destroyed as fast as they formed. The biggest problem is that the amino acids form in this experiment always a 50-50 mixture of stereotypes (L and D forms). Stereotypes are like a drawer full of right-hand and left-hand gloves, identical in every way except a mirror image of each other. Life only contains only L stereotypes of these randomly produced amino acids. Yet equal proportions of both types are always produced. How could the first cell have selected only L stereotypes from a random, equally reactive mixture? No anwser to this has ever been found. These are just a few of the problems with the fanciful idea that life generate itself. The leaking of these randomly produced amino acids into the required proteins is an even more overwhelming impossibility. No experiment has ever shown that matter has the ability to come alive. The best explanation for life is still that "life only comes from pre-existing life". As you search for the truth, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the source of all life... Is God. [/quote] [i]Taken from Bruce A. Malone's book, Search for the Truth[/i] ^^Explain that^^ Also, literally every "example" of evolution is just speciation. Name one actual example of evolution in today's world. My notifications don't work so I may take a while to respond.
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  • [quote]By Bruce Malone [quote]In the 1700's many scientists believed that life spontaneously generated from non-living matter (such as raw meat or sewage). In the 1800's, using careful experimentation, Louis Pasteur prove this concept wrong and verified that life only comes from previously existing life. Ironically, many scientists have once again return to believe that life came from nonlife... In spite of the fact that there is no experimental evidence to show how that could have happened. [b][u]I'm under the impression this book is a little dated, we have excellent insight to how abiogenesis could have occurred. [/u][/b] The reason this unsupported believe has returned is that science has been defined to eliminate the consideration of the only other alternative; the creation of life by an intelligent designer. [b][u]First off, no, we aren't out to get god. Reality happens to just not need him as badly as you want. Secondly, is god a living thing by biological standards? Because if not he just created life from non-life all the same. [/u][/b] Even the simplest living cell is an incredibly complex machine. It must be capable of detecting malfunctions, repairing itself, and making copies of itself. Man has never succeeded in building a machine capable of the same functions. [b][u]Meaningless details. [/u][/b] Yet most scientists accept the belief that life arose from nonlife (in spite of the evidence clearly indicating that it did not and could not happen). [b][u]Needs a good science update.[/u][/b] This incredible belief is as absurd as finding a complex chemical manufacturing facility on Mars and assuming that it built itself. [b][u]No, it isn't.[/u][/b] One classic experiment which is used to support the belief that life "built itself" is an experiment by Stanley Miller in 1953. In this experiment sparks were discharged into an apparatus which were circulating common gasses. These gases reacted to form various organic products which were collected and analyzed. Experiment succeeded in producing only a few of the 20 amino acids required by living cells. Yet the results have repeatedly been heralded as evidence that life could have arisen by itself. [b][u]Proved that chemicals associated with life can arise from non-life.[/u][/b] Furthermore, the dozens of major problems with this experiment as an explanation for the formation of life are seldom reported. For instance, are early atmosphere was assumed to have no oxygen because this would stop amino acid formation. [b][u]Probably had a little oxygen. [/u][/b] However, with no oxygen, there would be no ozone shield. With no ozone shield, life would also be impossible. [b][u]Complex life would be impossible, simple organisms could survive.[/u][/b] Furthermore, oxidize rocks throughout the geologic record indicate that oxygen has always been present. [b][u]In drastically differing frequencies.[/u][/b] in addition to this, the same gases which can react to form amino acids undergo known reactions in the presence of sunlight which remove them from the atmosphere. The required gases would not have been around long enough for life to develop! [b][u]Assuming sunlight hits everything all the time.[/u][/b] In addition, a cold trap was used to keep the reaction products being destroyed as fast as they formed. The biggest problem is that the amino acids form in this experiment always a 50-50 mixture of stereotypes (L and D forms). Stereotypes are like a drawer full of right-hand and left-hand gloves, identical in every way except a mirror image of each other. Life only contains only L stereotypes of these randomly produced amino acids. Yet equal proportions of both types are always produced. How could the first cell have selected only L stereotypes from a random, equally reactive mixture? No anwser to this has ever been found. These are just a few of the problems with the fanciful idea that life generate itself. [b][u]I don't think there is a definitive answer to this, it could be that L types simply became more prevalent for unknown reasons or were the first to involved in any sort of replication. Any life that followed would be L. [/u][/b] The leaking of these randomly produced amino acids into the required proteins is an even more overwhelming impossibility. No experiment has ever shown that matter has the ability to come alive. [b][u]Not yet.[/u][/b] The best explanation for life is still that "life only comes from pre-existing life". As you search for the truth, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the source of all life... Is God. [b][u]Our ancestors thought god was the sun, they thought he brought rain, death, we believed he was directly in control of all. We have pushed him back ever slowly away from those positions. It may be time to push him back a little further, as we always have before. [/u][/b]. [/quote] [i]Taken from Bruce A. Malone's book, Search for the Truth[/i] ^^Explain that^^ Also, literally every "example" of evolution is just speciation. Name one actual example of evolution in today's world. My notifications don't work so I may take a while to respond.[/quote]

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  • *is a god

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  • Edited by Grind on my balls: 5/28/2015 12:07:22 PM
    No that's me. Sorry dude.

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    Dinosaurs, bitch.

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  • you're trying to poison the well. you are either uneducated on the subject or a -blam!-ing despicable prick.

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  • kill yourself idiot

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  • Take penicillin for your next couple of bacterial infections and tell me how it works out.

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    lol watch Planet of the Apes. lol.

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  • Edited by Britton: 5/22/2015 6:04:35 AM
    Speciation is literally evolution. I don't know what you think evolution is. Louis Pasteur refuted that [b][u]spontaneous[/u][/b] generation is impossible on a very basic non detailed experiment, correct. His experiment is equatable to middle school level science experiments of today. We have recently learned however, that the necessary building blocks of life do not spontaneously appear, but are a result of chemical reactions, and molecular interaction. Here's a couple recent studies. http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2015/03/researchers-may-have-solved-origin-life-conundrum The actual paper is linked in the article. https://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-ames-reproduces-the-building-blocks-of-life-in-laboratory this is also very recent. On the Urey miller experiments, if you study paleontology some, you'll learn that early earth did indeed have little to no oxygen. But that doesn't mean life couldn't form. There are microbes that do not need oxygen to survive. Look at your deep sea vents for examples. When the oxygen free microbes finally evolved into cyanobacteria or blue green algae, they promoted photosynthesis and used the abundant sunshine, water, and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates and finally oxygen. Over hundreds of millions of years these microbes produced oxygen and released it into the air allowing the ozone to form and allowing the oxygen in the atmosphere to reach high enough levels for life to be able take the next big steps, which is where the Cambrian explosion takes place.

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  • Thanks for mentioning the Urey Miller experiment, saved me a load of time.

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