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originally posted in: Death penalty, are you against it?
5/16/2015 11:41:34 PM
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If you, as a human aware of your actions, commit a crime that society rules is a cause for Death, you deserve what you get. I don't believe in executing mentally disabled, individuals who weren't aware of their actions (some form of psychotic episode, as determined by qualified medical personnel), & children. If a child plots/commits a murder I think they should be locked up for a significant portion of time but helped to repay their societal debt. All pedophiles that act it out should be killed.
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  • Okay, so we shouldn't execute innocent people! Now, should we execute guilty people?

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  • If they're guilty of commiting a crime that we as a society have deemed worthy of execution. A person Jay-walking shouldn't be executed, nor should they be thrown in jail. A murder, r[b]a[/b]pist, pedophile (who acts on it) should be.

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  • So just because society thinks it is right, it is right. Sounds kinda narrow-minded and lazy to me.

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  • [quote]So just because society thinks it is right, it is right. Sounds kinda narrow-minded and lazy to me.[/quote] What is "right" in societies view has changed throughout time as our collective view has been broadened. That being said, I am a firm believer in the fact that your actions or inactions have consequences. An individual cannot arbitrarily choose to end a life just because s/he felt like it which is why a Jury judging an individual worthy of death is perfectly fine by me. Since my belief in holding individuals accountable for their actions is so narrow minded & lazy, can you come down from your lofty perch & show me the light?

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  • I'm saying that you thinking that whatever society believes is right is lazy and narrow-minded, not you believing in holding individuals accountable for their actions.

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  • Why should they be?

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  • My very first sentence in my previous response- [quote]If they're guilty of commiting a crime that we as a society have deemed worthy of execution.[/quote]

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  • You say we as if we are agreeing with you.

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  • [quote]You say we as if we are agreeing with you.[/quote] I'm well aware that others will have opinions contrary to mine. You may feel death is never justified & nothing I state will change your mind just like the opposite holds true for me.

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  • I'm asking you to explain to me [i]why[/i] they are worthy of execution.

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  • For simplicity, I'm just going to say look at my responses with another poster. It'll answer a majority of the questions & follow ons you may have.

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  • Understood

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  • You don't understand that everything we do is based on all of our "experiences". If you were born somewhere else, had a tougher childhood, etc, would you be the same person? No.

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  • No I wouldn't be the same person & neither would anyone, that's a given. We however, have societal norms we all must adhere to: don't kill wantonly, pedophilia is bad, etc. Those norms determine what we view as permissible in our world, regardless of rough childhoods. Do some people get the shitty end of the stick? Yes. I was a welfare child who joined the military & am now within the Top 15% of earners within the US. Others at my same starting point never left it. They have no excuse for any potential action they may do, they are just as accountable as everyone else.

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  • What if someone never learned about those norms from their parents or were neglected? They are accountable, but you have to think if that was completely their choice. Because if they did something as bad as murder, than something along the way probably indirectly caused them to do that.

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  • I agree. Above the age of 18 should be were the death penalty starts. There old enough then. However mentally disabled people shouldn't be left out of it. Remember of Mice and Men. Tho the big guy didn't know what he was doing and didn't mean to do it, he still killed the lady. He could have done it again and again because he doesn't know and doesn't understand. The good Lord will have mercy on him in heaven, but not here on earth.

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  • It wasn't Lenny's fault. George killed him instantly because Curley would shoot him in the gut and make it painful. A mercy killing.

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  • I think Lenny is the name. That aside, life imprisonment in a mental facility is a perfectly viable option for individuals in that situation. In the US, average costs of a [u]case[/u] seeking death penalty is $1.2M vs a similar case seeking life imprisonment ($740K). It costs $90K more annually per prisoner that the taxpayers are stuck footing. Because of automatic appeals, Death penalty cases have 8000 hours of litigation vs ~800 hours for life. If we're spending that money to wipe someone from this Earth, it should be someone who knew what they were doing, not an individual who may be unaware of their mistakes.

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  • Hmm in thy case shoot the greedy bastard that made it that much money to kill a criminal

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  • I agree with you except on the child part. If a child thinks out a plan and executes that plan of killing someone they deserve to die. If they are that smart to plan all that out, they can be tried as an adult.

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  • My issue with killing a child lies in that they tend have time to be readjusted for normal social interactions whereas plenty of adults are set in their ways. While there will always be outliers to those generalities, I'm personally not willing to convict the 99% to cover the 1%. I feel that as they get older, the excuse of being a child goes away (Ex- a 10 year old finds a loaded firearm & pulls the trigger vs a 17 year old in the same situation). My other issue with executing a child is that their brains aren't fully developed while an adults are (Some studies have said a males brain isn't fully formed until the mid-twenties, but I feel if you're old enough to live out on your own, you're old enough to know Right from Wrong).

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  • But what if you were never taught right from wrong?

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  • Where exactly do you envision this person having been raised?

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  • Not everyone in the world have parents/parent that taught them "right from wrong".

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  • [quote]Not everyone in the world have parents/parent that taught them "right from wrong".[/quote] Correct. Yet this individual who was never taught right from wrong, managed to make it from birth to whatever point in their life without wantonly slaughtering everyone because they weren't taught to differentiate between just & unjust choices. Now they've suddenly killed someone, but it's not their fault? They're still required to pay their debt, & if their lack of a loving upbringing precludes death, then life imprisonment is always an option. That being said, how do they justify their actions when compared to others who had similar upbringings but never did anything of that nature?

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