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What do you have to say in regards to the second law of thermodynamics which stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity and how there has never been found to be even a slight exception to this rule.
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  • Didn't read all the replies, don't care to. Long story short: 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. The Earth is constantly receiving energy from the sun, rendering this law invalid when discussing evolution.

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  • Physics and biology are difficult to link. The laws of thermodynamics are relevant to CLOSED systems, such as an individual organism or a single galaxy. The world itself isn't a closed system, as it continuously recreates new parts. New organisms are born every day, etc.

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  • Explain how it pertains to the present topic.

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  • Naturalistic Evolutionism requires that physical laws and atoms organize themselves into increasingly complex and beneficial, ordered arrangements.Thus, over eons of time, billions of things are supposed to have developed upward, becoming more orderly and complex. However, this basic law of science (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) reveals the exact opposite. In the long run, complex, ordered arrangements actually tend to become simpler and more disorderly with time. There is an irreversible downward trend ultimately at work throughout the universe. Evolution, with its ever increasing order and complexity, appears impossible in the natural world.

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  • Human civilization becomes more orderly and complex over time. Are you going to tell me that society can't be real?

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  • Edited by KiNg_george19: 5/14/2015 2:52:25 PM
    I'm not talking about civilization or society. I'm talking about organisms. Are you denying the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

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  • I'm saying that human civilization goes against what you just said. The devices we are using to communicate should not exist based on what you said. Are you going to tell me that we aren't having this discussion?

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  • Well we might as well not be having this conversation since you can't understand what I am saying.

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  • You're saying that, because of the second law of thermodynamics, complex and orderly things cannot exist. Computers and smartphones are incredibly complex and orderly.

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  • Yes but they still break down and grow old.

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  • So do organisms.

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  • Yeah exactly so how can evolution be true if it is supposed to be constantly improving and never degenerating?

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  • evolution is constantly [b]changing[/b], not necessarily improving. however, favorable and beneficial trains that are improved tend to preserve the species better since they live longer or become better hunters etc

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  • That's not true. Degeneration is a form of evolution in which organisms may lose or "downgrade" some of their organ systems. Take the hookworm ascaris. It's ancestors were free-living flatworms, but ascaris has evolved to be a parasite. Unlike it's flatworm cousins, ascaris does not have ocelli (simple eyes), or digestive enzymes or muscles, because it lives in a dark area (the intestines of it's host), and relies on its host to digest food for it. Because of this degeneration of the digestive system and eyes, ascaris can focus more energy on developing its reproductive system. Female ascaris can produce up to 200,000 eggs a day. Further more, why maintain eyes when they are useless and a prime place for infection? Degeneration can be an excellent adaption.

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  • Edited by BenjyX55: 5/14/2015 3:31:18 PM
    Because organisms replicate, making shiny new versions of themselves. If you have any more questions on this topic, you need to have stalk with your parents.

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  • My parents are creationists sooo haha

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  • I was implying that you haven't had the sex talk yet. The reason organisms become increasingly complex is that their complexity grants them the ability to create young, intact versions of themselves when they begin to degrade.

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  • Ok this is getting really confusing haha

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  • Why? Because I gave a valid explanation? If the law you're quoting applied to all things the way you say, there would be no chemical compounds. Atoms could not bond with other atoms, because that would be an increase in complexity. The ability of atoms to react and bond is evidence that things can naturally become more complex.

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  • So you are saying the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is wrong?

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  • It is if it is exactly what you say it is.

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  • Ok then haha

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  • so you think things should be living forever at this point?

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  • Um no. Why would you say that?

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  • because thats where it seems like youre going. if things are never degenerating, they live forever.

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