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Edited by DemonWarfare: 4/26/2015 2:24:55 AM
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So i made a post and ill put everything in spoilers so it doesn't take up the whole page. But i think i converted someone who was on the edge to be atheist. My post: [spoiler][u][b]Atheist thought process vs Faithful thought process[/b][/u] I was just curious if everyone understands that whichever side your on both sides fundamentally think differently. [i][u]Keep in mind this is a generalization it is not absolute.[/u][/i] The traits below are not qualities you acquire by having the belief rather people that believe these things tend to have these qualities. [b]Atheist[/b] - Logical, needs proof to accept something, thinks scientifically, questions everything to every detail. [b]Faith[/b] - doesn't need anything but faith, scripture and God/Gods (depending on your faith). Anything outside an individuals faith is essentially false information. (So technically you aren't supposed to question your faith or look outward) They way both sides think contradict each other therefor the other sides point will always be invalid. Thus, leading to the endless debates that go in circles. [b]Would you guys say you agree? [/b] [b]Side Note: This thread isn't here to debate beliefs[/b][/spoiler]Her replies and mine: [spoiler]Lord Lucy - All these point to me being Atheist, but i believe in God ..... Me - Theres nothing wrong with that its a generalization not true for everyone. Her - I know Me - Curious what makes you believe? Her - Science has yet to prove what caused the big bang coven1182 - "we don't know" doesn't mean "god did it" though Her - If they can explain what caused the Big Bang, that'll be the nail in the coffin. It's going to be difficult to switch from oh my god to oh my goodness. Also my family is really religious, so they won't want to hear it and probably shun me. Me - I agree with what coven said and it sounds like you lean towards atheism but are scared too because of your family. Is that the case? Her - Not scared, I suppose, but i just don't want people constantly trying to convert me back. It'll be quite bothersome. Me - Don't let people dictate what you believe, which ever you choose whether it be believing or not believing stand by it because its what you believe. You shouldn't hide what you believe because it goes against the majority. I completely understand though the discomfort of expressing yourself in an environment that would shun you because many people can be very condemning. Her - I'm glad someone understands. The the first time i told my dad i didn't believe in God, however, he showed me a picture of Jesus's Shroud and I had no idea how to argue that. Me - My biggest thing is people should think for themselves, you shouldn't accept something just because you were raised that way, everyone's that way etc. Atheist are a minority in the world but that doesn't make it wrong or bad. Every civil rights movement in the United States started with minorities banding together and speaking up. Any revolution is a minority fighting the majority. [i](Not that atheist need a revolution just trying to drive home the point theres nothing wrong with being a minority)[/i] You should ask questions and figure things out and whether you end up believing Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or Atheism, at least you took the time to figure it out and you should feel confidents in your beliefs. I don't know how your family is but it is possible that they will be condemning and shun you if you tell them you don't believe in God. You could always wait till your older and completely independent to come out with something like that to avoid constant issues but this is a road you have to venture down and figure things out. I guarantee there are plenty of other atheist that have been through this. Besides they shouldn't be condemning rather they should try and convince you positively. [b]As for the shroud:[/b]In my opinion from everything i've read about the shroud its very controversial because its a holy object scientist can't really completely analyze it. While there have been some scientific test done on it all of that is up for debate and not deemed credible considering no modern test have been done to my knowledge. There latest test was by a guy of the last name Fanti but his testing isn't officially supported dating the shroud back to the time jesus died. The one prior from the late 80's came to the conclusion the shroud was from the medieval era however that was retracted because the samples they tested weren't of the original cloth. So in my opinion science truly hasn't been able to test it but considering everything in the Bible is questionable I am not going to give the shroud the benefit of the doubt. Until its proven one way or another its not different than God. You can't prove or disprove him but logic leads me to believe he isn't real. The Shroud is interesting and could be a turn around in the debate for religion if they could prove authenticity but the image of Jesus isn't an actual portrait of him, thats what people believe he looked like. I could go on and on about everything but thats something you need to do. Research ask questions from both sides and all angles and reach a conclusion. When you do, if you do stand by it proud.[/spoiler]
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  • You can not belive in athiesm. It is the lack of belief.

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  • Edited by King Stark: 4/26/2015 3:28:32 AM
    I'm having the same problem she's having. I come from a religious family. Growing up I went to church every Sunday. I was an altar boy, lector, and in the church choir. My parents made me do this, and I never said no because I didn't want to disappoint them. I was also very studious. I took advanced classes and made good grades. As I got older and I learned more about science, I began to question my beliefs, but anytime I asked my parents something they quickly shot me down or just said it was God's doing. This eventually led me to become atheist. I realized that my family wouldn't accept my decision, so I've never told them. I've had to pretend I believe in their faith for quite some time now. I don't know how to tell them the truth. Many of my friends are facing the same problem. We fear being shunned by our families, so we pretend.

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  • I personaly believe that a Christian should learn science and study more about theyre religious belief than just sit there and conciderate everything a priest tell them as the ultimate truth about popular belief. To me personaly I think that if we don't look into the root of what we believe we will only walk in ignorance and blind faith.In my opinion as a human I think that we both need science and a spiritual leader to lead us trougth our blindfullness. As a pure exemple a lot of catholic / Christian still celebrate the pagan easter and the wrong one (wich in the bible the easter that we where suppose to celebrate was the one where Christ died and not the one where he resurrected) because I mean seriously all those supposed religious celebration are all set on pagan tradition and solistice now a day. Even tougth Christian are supposed to look for the truth, not what is told to them by word.

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  • I like the way you put that even though im atheist. I agree even if your religious you should research it before you accept otherwise your faith is blind.

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  • I think a lot of it has to do with the younger generation being exposed to more information and science advancing, but generally speaking many religious people will be condemning because people lead their lives by their beliefs so to live your whole life by God and some people don't believe any of it is hard for people to swallow. At least you and your friends have each other but if your dependent on your parents still and don't want to face the backlash i think it would be best to come out with that when your independent. But for the most part theres no avoiding the conflict of the two beliefs unless they end up respecting your beliefs but usually thats not the case.

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  • Edited by DeadSoul103: 4/26/2015 2:24:13 AM
    The only problem with your comment is [b]that it makes generalizations[/b], therefore making your comment have a bias.

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  • It has generalizations of both sides tho, so i personally don't understand the issue with that. Could you elaborate?

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  • You just composed an explanation for your own question. Both sides have generalizations, these tend to be based off of an individual's personal interpretation/POV of things.

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  • I appreciate your calm civil criticism.

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  • I see what your saying, but if anyone wants to talk about a group of people its impossible to not generalize. No one on Earth has individually sat down one on one with every member of s group it's impossible. Thats why we generalize, if generalizations are condescending thats not okay but if its neutral or 2 sides are generalized equally i don't see the problem. Personally, i think one problem with society is everyone is too sensitive and always looking for reasons to be offended. For example, I don't believe in God, if someone makes an generalization about atheist and it doesn't apply to me I don't get offended because, [u]I understand it doesn't apply to me[/u]. If someone were to make a list of generalizations about atheist i would probably agree with some of them. (This isn't me disagreeing with you or defending myself from you, i just wanted to explain where i was coming from)

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