You can buy gear, you can dismantle that gear and get the items, you don't need another way to get them as that is the only way to get them, they are supposed to be broken gear, that's the point, you use broken gear to boost new gear.
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I disagree. I don't believe that you use broken gear to upgrade new gear and I haven't heard them mention that as the reason behind the game mechanic. I think it was like every other barrier to entry in the shards economy and that was to keep hardcore players from outleveling casuals at the beginning. They have addressed all of the challenges with the shard and materials economy with the speaker with the one exception of class materials. That is why I disagree with what you say.
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That's literally the current way, you break gear and you get materials like essence and wire, wtf have you been playing for all this time lol.
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I understand that is how you acquire the items, I was disagreeing with your unfounded assumption that Bungie intended it to be this way because of some underlying metaphysical aspect of using broken gear to make new gear better. You don't have any proof of such an assertion. What I am saying is that it is a barrier of entry that needs to be removed. Im glad if you have the time, glimmer, and ability to farm all of those items or frankly don't have the need to. Kudos to you.
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That's not an assumption, it's fact you literally use broken gear to boost new gear, that's literally the way it works. Do you even know what your are talking about, wow just wow some people are dumb as shit.
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Does it make you feel good to assume the level of someone else's intelligence because you don't understand the point I am making? If you are here to flame and not contribute go elsewhere. Troll=fed.
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The point is trivial anyways.
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Sorry, I just get irritated if someone thinks I am stupid because they don't understand my argument. That's not a me problem. God knows I shouldn't, it is the internet after all.
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Don't we all.
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No because you don't understand the fact that you literally use parts from broken gear to upgrade new gear lol, that's what the wire and essence is, parts from broken gear, you have to be the biggest idiot I have seen on this forum in some time.
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You still dont understand my argument. Let me spell it out for you in REAL terms. We use COTTON to make clothes. If COTTON was the only way we could make clothes and to get COTTON we had to break down old clothes so we could use said COTTON to make new ones everything is dandy, right? This is how it is in Destiny and what you are saying is that there is no reason to have a vendor sell COTTON to upgrade said clothes. HOWEVER, and this is the key point so don't miss it @Ne0nK0ala, If we can buy Shards to upgrade raid gear, why not be able to buy the other materials as well. You specifically said "you don't need another way to get them as that is the only way to get them, they are supposed to be broken gear, that's the point, you use broken gear to boost new gear." Based on that, prove two things prove that 1)they are SUPPOSED to be broken gear and the point is to use them to boost new gear and 2) we don't need another way to get them. Just because the game mechanic uses a materiel to upgrade another doesn't mean you should assume they cannot be bought the same as COTTON can be grown IRL. And if we are being given a way to get literally EVERY OTHER MATERIAL in the game, why not the class materials. The burden of proof is on you sir before you go flippantly lobbing insults because you aren't interested in proving your assumptions and then using those assumptions to belittle someone in your own opinion.
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Edited by Ne0nK0ala: 4/23/2015 8:10:47 PMLol I don't need proof, that's literally how it currently works, that's all the proof I need, I really don't see what you don't see about that lol. Making up some mystical destiny universe where the materials are grown doesn't change that, as that is not how it currently works, it currently only works by breaking down old gear, that's it. Stop the daydreaming. And no there is no other needed way to get materials, just buy the -blam!-ing gear and break it the -blam!- down, what the -blam!- is your problem with doing that?
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I don't have a problem with doing that, I just think it is a very inefficient way to drive the economy. If they have gone so far as to fix the economy of every other material in Destiny it feels like an oversight to not address class materials. I just wish they would acknowledge one way or the other. And I'm not asking for proof of the functionality of the game mechanic. That is certainly how it works; I'm saying you need to prove that it is meant to work that way because of some ethereal notion that we must use our old gear to embellish our new gear and thus there is no need for the ability to buy the materials. Your whole argument is based on a theoretical assumption that you cannot possibly know. That is the point I am making. Your assumption and argument is not based on how the game works, but instead is based upon your knowledge of WHY it works that way as if you know the reason Bungie designed it for that purpose. That is why I ask for proof.
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Edited by Ne0nK0ala: 4/23/2015 8:23:47 PMAn argument against is a theoretical opinion, as such the only remaining factual argument is the argument that actually contains fact, the idea that materials are grown is completely theoretical daydreaming nonsense until it is fact, however the idea that materials can only be obtained from broken gear is fact, because that is currently the fact of the game. How many times should I reiterate that for you?
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The fact is, clearly you have no FACTUAL argument. I am making a request for an addition, you are telling me it should not happen and the basis for that declaration is an assertion based on assumption of Bungie's motives (i.e. we MUST use material gathered from breaking down other materials BECAUSE they do not exist elsewhere). You can't argue against my request based on your assumption of Bungie's motives because you don't know what they are until they are stated. If you don't want them in the game, then so be it, but that is merely your opinion versus mine. Don't tell me they SHOULDN'T be in the game and then use the games mechanism as currently constructed as your proof of why you are right. Bungie, by changing the entire shard economy, is telling us they are wanting to revisit the whole economy of materials. I'm simply requesting they consider class materials. How many times should I reiterate that for you?
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Lol you are so salty. You also assume what people are saying a lot, I never said that was bungies intention, although it is as that is all that exists and so there cannot be another intention, I said that was the only way that you can get materials, go ahead, go back and look.
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No you clearly said "you don't need another way to get them" and judging by a number of responses in this thread I'm not the only one who thinks we do. You don't get to tell other players what they do and don't need.
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You don't lol, gear is like 250 glimmer, you get 2-4 materials from it. Why do you need another one lol.
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That is not an exchange. I am talking about a way to buy what you need and return what you don't "You don't lol, gear is like 250 glimmer, you get 2-4 materials from it. Why do you need another one lol." actually for whites you get none for green you get 1 (occasionally 2), for blue it is 2(~3) and for legendary it is 3(~4) and the second number for each is far less likely than the first number. Let me use facts and information to support my argument since you like to support your arguments with lulz (which by the way make you look like a condescending douchebag and undermine your argument completely for future reference) Your average legendary armor requires 50 class materials for upgrade, 3250 glimmer, and whatever else planetary materials. Exotics will cost you 100 class materials, 4850 glimmer and planetary materials. By your estimate on the high side of 4 per armor item (which is extreme overestimation) and at 250 a piece, that's another 3500 glimmer for materials to upgrade one piece of legendary gear. Or another 7000 for exotics. Now, let us do real world math with real world stats from the game instead of the made up bullshit you lol'd with. Green engrams from the Cryptarch are 450 a piece and generally yield 1 class material (however for the sake of argument, lets say you get lucky and out of ten you buy you get 4 that give you 2) that means you spent 4000 glimmer on engrams and got 14 class materials. That means that to get to the 25 required to have just one unlock on a legendary or exotic item you will spend on average 7150 glimmer or basically the entire glimmer cap for an exotic. I wonder if you feel small when you have to argue facts and can't lol anymore. If you can't understand why this alternative that you are arguing is a solution is asinine then you sir, are an idiot, and I bid you good day.
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Edited by Ne0nK0ala: 4/24/2015 2:13:59 AM1: how is gear for materials not an exchange lol, also was you on about it has to be something unneeded, the point of glimmer (used in context with buying gear) is literally to purchase shit. 2: the number 250 is next to the word "like" if you might notice, that means in general or around, I'm not gonna sit here and write out paragraphs like a sad prick who doesn't have a life lol. 3: same answer as above for the materials given per dismantle. 4: an exchange method that uses anything else will still be as expensive, so I don't know what ideal world you are in where things will cost less because they won't, for example if it was shards for materials it would be one shard per few materials, bungie values a shard at 250 glimmer, that means that you will be paying the exact same. LOL. 5: and finally lol, your saltiness is amazing me heavily.
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And your lack of ability to put together a coherent argument is amusing me. If calling people sad pricks on the internet is what you need to feel good about yourself, maybe you could find some introspection in that. Just a thought.
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Yes because none of that was an argument against your statement. LOL