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Edited by dazarobbo: 3/18/2015 5:31:12 AM
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A Roc please sir, hold the cheese.

Just finished playing some strikes from the Roc playlist and was amazed at the number of players cheesing certain sections. [i]Archon Priest[/i] Players sniping from the cliff or on the ketch while clearing the 3 waves of vex. Players sniping the boss from up on the cliff. [i]Nexus[/i] Players staying up on the ledge or in the cheesing spot during the boss fight. [i]Phogoth[/i] Players sniping from the shrieker room, never really being able to contribute seeing as how the rest of us have him aggro'd down the other end of the room. Why do people do this? Is it laziness, or just old-fashioned scrubbery? Funnily enough, these players usually finished with less than half as many kills, yet were consistently awarded the best loot. "Oh look, you got 33 kills, have a Mida Multi Tool". "What's that, sir? You were dead most of the strike? Legendary Engram". *Shakes fist at sky* "Curse you RNG! Curse you.

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  • Edited by Swiftlock: 3/18/2015 10:13:53 AM
    No thanks. I will continue to camp in safe spots with Black Hammer and quickly obliterate Sekrion, Sepiks, Aksor, and Fallen Walkers. However, of course there are bosses that you're better off fighting without camp spots, like Valus, Flayers, Undying Mind, etc.

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  • I'm sorry I didn't know I had to play it your way.

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    • Agree. Cheese spots are of no need in ROC. I'll run past enemies however. If its not a darkness zone then hoof it through. "Cheese" spots are invaluable in nightfalls though. I only see it as being smart and using logical tactics to overcome the enemy, not cheating. The ledge in Winters Run, enemies can shoot you if you aren't careful. The ledge in the Nexus spawns a minotaur that will wipe you if you aren't careful. Valus' boxes are very safe but you have to pop out to get damage off most of the time (which is why I use the lamp). Then there's the spot we don't mention in Sepiks' lair. Don't talk about it. I'm watching. I'm sure even some Bungie employees use these tactics to get through Nightfalls. You're silly not to. But yeah not needed in Vanguard strikes.

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    • Sit on the cliff + black hammer headshots = done in under a minute. Enough said. It's a ROC strike, the quicker the better. Black hammer body shots on photogoth works exactly the same (I agree, staying in the room is stupid). Neither move as long as you get critical hits and it's done in no time.

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    • I had my first roc "not cheesier" yesterday. It was kind of annoying, but I still had fun. Cheesing Roc strikes is not fun. Being in there is fun. The exception for me is the nexus. We had someone drop before the board, and we had to basically hide and snipe along the lower rocks. It sucked... I much prefer running the bottom but that's much easier with three that want to run the floor!

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      • Only time I've done something like that was when I have two people or the others are too. We managed to do flawless striker on the nexus doing a roc on the ledge above

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      • There's no point in cheering ROC strikes. They're all easy enough once you've had some experience. I'm not generally against cheesing but if you're going to do it at least make sure there's a point to it

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      • Ha! You're calling the snipers who do that scrubs. Look at your crucible k/d and shit win rate. You're the scrub.

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        • I don't give a two penny -blam!-, if I'm expected to grind the same content ad nauseam I'll do it as quickly and easily as possible. If that's cheese then feel free to lick my camembert taint.

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        • Edited by ariath: 3/18/2015 10:05:15 AM
          I'll post it again.. I do it because: 1) It's faster. 2) It's safer. Archon Priest I have a black hammer. I shoot Archon priest in the head from the cliff. Archon Priest never moves, never fires, always staggered and he dies really, I mean REALLY fast. And ads don't bother me, don't mess with my aim. So it is faster and safer. Nexus I have a black hammer. I shoot Nexus in the head from the "cheesing spot". It's slightly above Nexus, so I can always hit his weak point. All I have to do is move slightly to not get hit by Nexus shots. Nexus dies REALLY fast. Ads don't bother me, don't mess with my aim. If my health is low i can just hide for a while and then continue to shoot. So it is faster and safer. Phogoth [b]Sniping from the shrieker room[/b] can only be justified during nightfalls, because Phogoth can not be staggered. During Roc strikes - I agree - It's faster just to shoot his weak point with black hammer until he's dead. Also, it's rare when someone have more kills than me during ROC strikes.

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          • Now I don't utilise most of those tactics - although for Nightfall strikes those tactics are good - but, really, you are saying that sniping is cheesing. And that's silly.

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          • Killing the nexus from the ledge is pretty fast if you stay up all three. About the other ones I agree, why would people even need to cheese that. My biggest frustration however (about strikes), is the fact that 50% of the time, I'm playing with 2/3 of the people. - Strike idlers - People quitting, not putting in replacements until the boss is dead and that guy gets an exotic (this happened to me twice so far)

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          • Edited by genericname415: 3/18/2015 7:00:24 AM
            the people who are genuinely scared when facing an adverse situation IN A VIDEO GAME are idiots. it isn't real! lol

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            • I don't really consider any of those "cheeses" players playing within the boundaries of the game isn't cheesing regardless of where that spot is and if enemies can or can't hit you there. But anyway I don't really care what other people do in my strikes I just play the way that's fun for me. If you want to sit back and snipe, have at it, whatever is fun for you

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              • None of what you described was a cheese. All legit methods.

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                • Edited by HoliestOfBeards: 3/18/2015 8:22:15 AM
                  I mean.....a snipers job is to get into a position far from the enemy to gain a tactical advantage. Real snipers will lay there on their stomach for days and snipe. God damn army vets were cheesing the wars!

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                  • Most of what you described isn't "cheese" it's just snipers doing what they do best. Do you expect them to roll down and quick scope everything or use shotguns just because you want them to. I personally only use these spots on nightfalls but it's not "cheese".

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                    • I feel you, but sometimes hunters gotta keep a distance. I know what you're saying on the archon priest though. They should block off from the tallest cliff to the bridge going to the skiff or something along those lines. Honestly, if you have the gear and you adapt well to the game then no strike or raid is really hard. Solo or with a full fireteam.

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                    • None of what you described is cheese it is just playing smart.

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                    • I gave up on this post when OP used the word "funnily".

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                    • I don't mind the first two examples, but sniping Phogoth from that room is weak and I presume very boring - it's really not a hard strike. One I did get annoyed at was Rockets McDickface - the guy was out of the map above the main chamber shooting down while we had to deal with him and his minions.

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                    • To first two: Does it matter? It enables them to dish out consistent damage to the Boss. If you want to run around the map killing everything, you certainly can... It obviously rakes up more kills for you but on the other hand, prolongs the battle. (Shrieker room sniping is just BS)

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                    • How is the sniping from the ketch and on the cliff in the Archon Priest cheesing?

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                      • Don't worry OP the Guardians that face their enemies in battle and don't hide are one thing and one thing only.............................. [spoiler]Bad asses (>•‿•)> ⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)[/spoiler]

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                        • Unless they are actually glitching out of the map to get to an "untouchable" spot then it isn't cheesing, people can still get shot on the ledge in the archon strike. The nexus cliff is annoying though, especially when I'm the only one on ground level and I'm having to deal with waves of vex and the nexus and the phogoth room is straight BS, there's never any excuse to hide during that strike. Cowardly, maybe. Cheese? Probably not. I don't use spots as I quite frankly suck at sniping, all the icebreakers in the world will still never help me get a decent headshot so I'm always in the middle of the action, it's a pain if you get killed and your team don't want to risk moving from their safe spot to revive you.

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                        • It's all about the dragon strikes now anyways, who's wants to do level 26 strikes wen u can do 28 n better chance at rewards ;)

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