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Edited by dazarobbo: 3/18/2015 5:31:12 AM
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A Roc please sir, hold the cheese.

Just finished playing some strikes from the Roc playlist and was amazed at the number of players cheesing certain sections. [i]Archon Priest[/i] Players sniping from the cliff or on the ketch while clearing the 3 waves of vex. Players sniping the boss from up on the cliff. [i]Nexus[/i] Players staying up on the ledge or in the cheesing spot during the boss fight. [i]Phogoth[/i] Players sniping from the shrieker room, never really being able to contribute seeing as how the rest of us have him aggro'd down the other end of the room. Why do people do this? Is it laziness, or just old-fashioned scrubbery? Funnily enough, these players usually finished with less than half as many kills, yet were consistently awarded the best loot. "Oh look, you got 33 kills, have a Mida Multi Tool". "What's that, sir? You were dead most of the strike? Legendary Engram". *Shakes fist at sky* "Curse you RNG! Curse you.

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  • Interesting. I tend to consider "cheese" to be stuff that breaks the believability of the mission to do - like pushing through a wall to skip a room. I've killed Phogoth from the Shrieker room, Sekrion from the cliff top, and Aksor from the rock shelf near the entrance. I don't tend to do any of these things because actually, they are no easier than moving closer in. They are also no fun. But I don't consider them being cheese. If I'm paired on a strike with two others who want to do it that way, I'm not going to complain. I'm just happy if they aren't chatty racist/sexist/fascist idiots. The Crota chasm cross without the bridge counts as cheese because I have to dodge invisible kill-zones - but really this is just poor level design. Bungie should have worked out what the maximum in-flight distance could be. Make the chasm twice as wide, make the bridge last twice as long, and the sword last 10 seconds more. No more cheese. Do not tell me that the extra COMPLETELY EMPTY SPACE takes too much processing power to include, because I won't believe you. The same is true about the strikes - the AI is dreadful to allow any of these cheeses. Why can't the Vex spawns (which let's face it, make no sense anyway) chase the party back up the path instead of standing in line to be shot? or teleport in surrounding the players wherever they were? Why don't the gobs and hobbos and harpies in Sekrion teleport onto the ledge if that is where the attackers are? Why doesn't Phogoth hide around the corner until the players come out? If Aksor followed the players back down the path, it would be a more interesting game. Or if he just headed off the other way and boarded a ship - e.g. Aksor escapes, players lose. It's a mind-numbingly stupid contrived fight in the first place. Why did we let him out? Why does he fight instead of run? To make up for these inconsistencies, and to save Bungie from having to build a bigger end-boss-room with a layout that wasn't just "circular arena with cover", I have to fight at shotgun range.

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  • As a 30+ anything is a one shot. So found verdict is gr8 for this

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  • -blam!- Archon Priest. I'll dip that bastard in cheese all day, I hate that encounter normally. However, I totally agree on Phogoth.

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  • Edited by Squeeze A Snack: 3/18/2015 2:21:56 PM
    Is dancing on the devil walker cheese? Is sliding under phogoth to release his hellhounds cheese. Is popping a bubble in the first room of omnigal where all the thrall come to get blinded then punched out cheese? Is riding septic tank eyebot cheese? If yes to any I am guilty!!!!!!

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  • To be fair the Ketch ship spot, if we're both thinking the same place, is just a good sniper position. Also that ledge in Nexus is tame compared to the spot my friends know and use during the nightfall. At least on that ledge a Minotaur spawns and attempts to destroy you. The spot I know of, you won't receive incoming fire unless you poke your head out. Truthfully though I don't care what you do, as long as you are killing the enemy, you're cool in my book. Except for glitching and hacking those are always bad in my book.

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    • Do it your way and let them do it there way

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    • Those are more like weekly or nightfall strategies, but still not cheese.

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    • I'll push people off the cliff on nexus. Warlock Palm works just fine if you catch them right on the edge...

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    • I agree with all but the archon priest one if u wanna snipe from there fine whatever. In nexus it's easier to go down in my opinion and in phogoth why the hell would u state in the back room one person could stun lock phogoth with a sniper and the other two can take everything else it's so easy

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    • I only really play that way during nightfalls, or if I have the complete strike without dying bounty. Otherwise, I try not to cheese, but it depends on what has been happening earlier, I've played with fireteams that just leave you dead and don't bother reviving you, two sides to the coin I say..

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    • If I have a no death strike bounty I'm not running around like a chicken with my head cut off.

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    • Tbh being up top on nexus is harder than down below. That minotaur is a demi god. nexus still can kill you up there if your not careful/team mates are not dicks. didn't know people still do phogoth in thay room. Maybe it's just your unlucky. Archos priest it's nice to have a solo dude up top while others clear the minions, makes it quicker.

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    • Is there even a way to play this game without "cheesing" "YOU HID BEHIND COVER, YOURE CHEESING" "YOU USED A SNIPER, YOURE CHEESING" This is getting ridiculous and you people should feel stupid for thinking that people that do this shit are cheating. ITS IN THE GAME FOR A REASON. And how does that shit affect you anyway? Little billy is sniping from a cliff instead of rushing in with a shotgun like a crazy idiot... Only difference is that he's not gonna die as fast as you guys. 1300+ hours and I will gladly "cheese" the living shit out of this game the very little times I still play it

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      • That isn't cheesing..cheesing is exploiting the game, finding and using glitches to your advantage. These guys are just sniping far off in the distance. That's using tactics.

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        • am i doing it right? https://account.xbox.com/en-us/gameclip/5ce1ee7c-5198-4d06-b904-5f15dee2cb3c?gamerTag=wok75&scid=37770100-f9ae-4b80-9dad-7c1d0ec14469 i pushed them off twice by there xD https://www.bungie.net/en/Legend/PGCR/1/4611686018430786170/2305843009289855956/2088122925 they got luner elergy which is one of the shaders i don't have yet

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            • None of what you mentioned are cheeses.... Standing in a spot where you won't get hit isn't a cheese.

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              • The priest sniping isn't a cheese at all.

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                • the only thing i "Cheese" is the devil walker, sit back and snipe just cause its quicker than actually running up and taking fire

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                  • its called getting on with the strike and getting a bounty complete as long as all players mix in then its fine. i use the cliffs if i have a survival bounty, do i want to die?, no but i always pull my weight.

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                  • Lol. OP is that guy that's farming the minions that spawn around the boss of strikes while everyone else is DPSing the boss to get done with the strike as quickly as possible; then at the end of the game he compares kills. GG n00bs I killed so much moar than u!!

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                  • And the issue is??

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                  • if anything the nexus is just faster that way not slower

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                  • It's not cheering because here is no glitch to get up on any of those spots

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                  • If you don't like people playing this way on Roc strikes then simply play with 2 friends and never play with randoms. It doesn't really matter to me how someone else plays as long as they are not AFK. Maybe they're trying to complete the Strike without Dying bounty or just aren't that skilled. I don't know and it doesn't bother me.

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                  • What are you're views on camping at the top of the stairs at the first part of the omnigul nightfall? I'm sure the non-cheese method is working so well. It's crap design.

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