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Temporary base of operations for NMST.
This is the OFFICIAL base of operations for the New Mombasa Strike Team! (NMST)
As we all know, New Mombasa is in a terrible way. Mass flaming, spamming, pointless threads. The moderators are hard pushed to sort out these problems. So it is up to us, the humble forum users, to help out. So, if you are up to the challenge, join the NMST now!
Our official duties will include...
-Posting interesting, worthwhile conversation about Halo 2.
-Cooling down potential flame wars
-Advising ignorance against spamming
-Helping out the new guys, and getting them used to the idea of interesting debate rather than 'Your -blam!-' 'Your a dumbass' type flaming.
-In cases such as ILB, helping to keep things tip top and under control.
So if you are interested, or want to hear more, PM Stalin the 31st (me) your fearless leader, or post questions and completed application forms (read as-posting your name) on this thread.
*Place motto here* I will think of a motto, and place it tommorow morning.
[Edited on 8/31/2004 11:31:09 AM]
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I leave home for a few days, and look what happens... ...school and football practice sucks.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ash55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JAY132 Man, one thing I'd like to say though is, you've got the right ideas. Just don't interfere with flame wars, they'll die out. Ignore spam, the spammer is only doing it for his own personal fun. They always get tired of it in the end. But I never dissed your idea about posting good posts in there etc. And I can assure you that I get no kick, nor do I gain anything from being right. I come here and post on Bungie for fun and also *arguement and discussion. Finally, just post good threads anyway. Have some fun! Just ignore the idiots, they'll soon get sick of being moronic if they feel left out of a good discussion. ;) *arguement is of course not to get mixed up with flaming.[/quote] Yes I agree with Jay. I've seen this unfold over the days and you started with good intentions to make the forums nicer by starting to post good topics but with the pre-written notes and crap it went alittle too far I think. You should definately keep trying but I think we should just keep to posting good posts in there instead of pointing out other peoples bad posts. Anything more than that is going too far. I bet I am the 1,000th person to say this though hehe.[/quote] Every opinion is welcome, no matter how many similar responses there have been.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JAY132 Man, one thing I'd like to say though is, you've got the right ideas. Just don't interfere with flame wars, they'll die out. Ignore spam, the spammer is only doing it for his own personal fun. They always get tired of it in the end. But I never dissed your idea about posting good posts in there etc. And I can assure you that I get no kick, nor do I gain anything from being right. I come here and post on Bungie for fun and also *arguement and discussion. Finally, just post good threads anyway. Have some fun! Just ignore the idiots, they'll soon get sick of being moronic if they feel left out of a good discussion. ;) *arguement is of course not to get mixed up with flaming.[/quote] Yes I agree with Jay. I've seen this unfold over the days and you started with good intentions to make the forums nicer by starting to post good topics but with the pre-written notes and crap it went alittle too far I think. You should definately keep trying but I think we should just keep to posting good posts in there instead of pointing out other peoples bad posts. Anything more than that is going too far. I bet I am the 1,000th person to say this though hehe.
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Man, one thing I'd like to say though is, you've got the right ideas. Just don't interfere with flame wars, they'll die out. Ignore spam, the spammer is only doing it for his own personal fun. They always get tired of it in the end. But I never dissed your idea about posting good posts in there etc. And I can assure you that I get no kick, nor do I gain anything from being right. I come here and post on Bungie for fun and also *arguement and discussion. Finally, just post good threads anyway. Have some fun! Just ignore the idiots, they'll soon get sick of being moronic if they feel left out of a good discussion. ;) *arguement is of course not to get mixed up with flaming.
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I don't know why but I was thinking of history class, and the NMST reminds me a little like communism...good intensions but bad out turn.
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I officially started this, so I will now officially end it. NMST is OVER. Disbanded. We were not helping out, we were being elitists. While this was in no way my intention for the original group, it seems to have gone that way. Yes JAY, you were right. I am willing to accept that. You saw what I could not-NMST becoming something I didnt really want it to be. A mod-like group, telling people what to do without any official powers. I saw a group of Septagonians going in and helping out new guys, posting interesting things, and trying to put the cooler on flame wars. However, I am disheartened at your accusations of my 'Trying to play moderator'. I was not. I was trying to help the moderators, work alongside them, and help out the new guys. There is no need for your 'But [i] some [/i] of the people who started this were playin Mod'. I know who you are talking about. Moi. My apologies for any problems I caused. If there is anything I can do for anyone, PM me. NMST members, go to the forum. There is an update there. Thank you. [Edited on 9/2/2004 1:28:36 AM]
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Nevermind, I can't be bothered. [Edited on 9/2/2004 12:39:44 AM]
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I tried that. It does get kinda boring when your post fly's off the page in 5 minutes. =/ P.S. over egsadurtaion used in post. (Why can't i spell that word >[! *runs off and has tantrum*) [Edited on 9/2/2004 12:58:01 AM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrummDragon Yeah just because NMST is disbanded doesn't mean we can't still do good things in the forums. Like setting a good example and informing new users of what not to do.[/quote] *claps* Exactly, and you don't need a special title or faction motivation to do this. Maybe if some of you posted in there more often, and quit being so afraid of a few conflicting thoughts, it'd be a better place to hang
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] littlerat Rules are made to be broken I was just bored, that's why i joined. [/quote] Aint it the truth!~
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Rules are made to be broken I was just bored, that's why i joined.
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I knew the mods wouldnt like all of this! i stated that in the begining. Instead of just useing NMST why dont we all just go to new mombasa with no intention but to have a interesting thread. If we start posting threads that are usefull and that have not been posted alot then new mombasa will become a better place slowly but surely. if we ignore spamer/flamers they will eventually stop. If we dont reply to them including posting the rules they will stop and see that everybody just ignores them. It take time. NMST team started out good but shiskas right, we did get out of hand. it all started with the signatures. I mean Saying that your part of "NMST- Protecting the New Mombasa forum". Act like your elite from everyone else and where not. The best way of doing good is to follow the rules and let the mod do there jobs. Allthough i think we need more so a mod can be on every minute of the day. That was my thought on the subject and every thing didnt come out the way i wanted it to. I am not "one with the words!"
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Yeah just because NMST is disbanded doesn't mean we can't still do good things in the forums. Like setting a good example and informing new users of what not to do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Texas Ben actually most of us i think tried just to post relevant conversation. the problem was, I think, that we came off as snobs with our NMST designation thingy... like trying to send in boy scouts to clean up the ghetto. the boy scouts have no authority to do so, they come off as presumtuous and arrogant to the criminals in the gheeto, and while the police appreciate the sentiment, they also do not like the fact that they now have to go through extra trouble just to protect the boy scouts. not a very good analogy I guess, but it gets my point across. [/quote] Heeeey, I [i]am[/i] a Boy Scout (Eagle). Thats OK, though, you made an excellent point. It could have been a whole lot better, yet a whole lot worse. I said it earlier and I'll say it again, hindsight is always 20/20. -Baerdog7
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Why does anything have to end? Just be mature, humble, and have integrity. As long as you post how you would like to be replied to, I'm sure we can all still make a difference. I still refuse to believe that any part of bungie.net is dead (well, except chapter founders and THATS not even dead).
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Bungie will NEVER be the way it used to be. There's so many new people coming here everyday etc. Keep posting good posts, and just enjoy New Mombasa. Ignore spam. And sorry but some of the people who started this NMST nonsense WERE trying to play Moderator.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Texas Ben actually most of us i think tried just to post relevant conversation. the problem was, I think, that we came off as snobs with our NMST designation thingy... like trying to send in boy scouts to clean up the ghetto. the boy scouts have no authority to do so, they come off as presumtuous and arrogant to the criminals in the gheeto, and while the police appreciate the sentiment, they also do not like the fact that they now have to go through extra trouble just to protect the boy scouts. not a very good analogy I guess, but it gets my point across. --- oh and only a few people were being "mod wannabees"... and they did so unintentionally. reminding people of the rules is usually a good thing if done properly (yo thats against the rules watch it or the mods will get you...). the problem was, I think, the approach.[/quote] You are exactly right. I've never seen you be so correct in your entire life, Texas Ben. Nice analogy, by the way. [Edited on 9/1/2004 7:32:16 PM]
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actually most of us i think tried just to post relevant conversation. the problem was, I think, that we came off as snobs with our NMST designation thingy... like trying to send in boy scouts to clean up the ghetto. the boy scouts have no authority to do so, they come off as presumtuous and arrogant to the criminals in the gheeto, and while the police appreciate the sentiment, they also do not like the fact that they now have to go through extra trouble just to protect the boy scouts. not a very good analogy I guess, but it gets my point across. --- oh and only a few people were being "mod wannabees"... and they did so unintentionally. reminding people of the rules is usually a good thing if done properly (yo thats against the rules watch it or the mods will get you...). the problem was, I think, the approach.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JAY132 Now I'm not a bad member, so I'm not going to say 'I told you so', but. . . . I DID TRY AND WARN YOU PEOPLE. Not one of you guys got onto what I was saying about playing Moderator. I also think it's really unfortunate that a Moderator had to get in on this. I'm not an absolute angel here, but I'm disappointed in some of the older members.[/quote] Generalizations, however, are still a bad idea, JAY132. Not everyone tried to play moderator (some probably did, prehaps unintentionally, but some probably did). But not everyone. For example, some just attempted to post revelant, new info. Anyways, enough of my rant. I'll ignore NM like I used to unless I get an urge to post something in there (which hasn't happened in a while (excluding NMST)). [Edited on 9/1/2004 7:06:56 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helljumper76 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] None Shall Know There wasn't any reason for Shishka to stop it. He just felt that he wasn't as important.[/quote] Well [i]some[/i] of us were getting annoying. I think he could have let us continue and just yelled at us to keep us in line. I wasn't doing anything different but at least I knew I wasn't alone. I think it was cool that the forum was united like that. It would have made spammers lives worse. They might have even stoped if they saw that the entire forum hated them. We souldn't have been replying to spam though. Feeding trolls is bad. Even if your just flaming the spammers.[/quote] Did I do something wrong? I'm not entireley sure what the exact problem was yet. Which part of what we we're doing was the wrong one? Some people were getting ticked at what I was saying, but I never saw why. I guess ignorance (on my part, not theirs) once again rears it's ugly head... Dang this is depressing. Edit- Well, at least Jay doesn't think that I was one of the main problems. I'm not one of the older members : ) [Edited on 9/1/2004 6:57:23 PM]
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Now I'm not a bad member, so I'm not going to say 'I told you so', but. . . . I DID TRY AND WARN YOU PEOPLE. Not one of you guys got onto what I was saying about playing Moderator. I also think it's really unfortunate that a Moderator had to get in on this. I'm not an absolute angel here, but I'm disappointed in some of the older members.
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Every former NMST member should put "I do not spam and am opposed to anyone that does." in their sig. That way we can still feel united with out pissing off the mods. As long as we don't start telling people what to do.
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I feel the same way as Halo 53. I didn't realize that it had gone so far until I read Shishka's post. It really opened my eyes. In retrospect, it almost seems like what happens in a book called [u]The Wave[/u] where a history class does a simulation of the -blam!- party until the whole school is involved and they start to oppress non-members. You know what they say, "hindsight is always 20/20." Well, that's it then, I'm out of NMST. I'll still be around, just not in NM as much. -Baerdog7 Edit- Wow, I didn't know the name of the party that Hitler belonged to in WW2 was blammed out. [Edited on 9/1/2004 4:26:57 PM]
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Remember, this is all about opinion. You guys who were really into it of course won't be happy. I was in it but I saw what was happening and when that thread went up about making another "group" to go against NMST, I knew that it had to be done. I remembered those chapter wars from when I first joined the column and although I was never apart of one, I knew it wasn't a good thing. Yes he could have told certain people to stop, but it was the whole principle in having a group, a name etc. Trying to help and set a good example is good but not when associating it as a little group and it seems to other members that you think you're better than everyone else.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hangbrain It is very, very unwise to personally attack a mod. [/quote] Agreed. Even if his decision may have been a bit....... unnecessary. [Edited on 9/1/2004 4:07:07 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] None Shall Know There wasn't any reason for Shishka to stop it. He just felt that he wasn't as important.[/quote] Well [i]some[/i] of us were getting annoying. I think he could have let us continue and just yelled at us to keep us in line. I wasn't doing anything different but at least I knew I wasn't alone. I think it was cool that the forum was united like that. It would have made spammers lives worse. They might have even stoped if they saw that the entire forum hated them. We souldn't have been replying to spam though. Feeding trolls is bad. Even if your just flaming the spammers. [Edited on 9/1/2004 5:04:45 PM]
