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11/12/2012 6:54:09 AM
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A "Brutally Honest" Halo 4 Review
[url=http://addicted-gamers.com/2012/11/11/halo-4-xbox-360-review-a-shadow-of-its-former-self/]Halo 4: A Shadow of its Former Self[/url]
What do you think, Flood? The opinions seem to be greatly divided so far. Most people either absolutely love the game or have expressed similar complaints as some of what is listed in the review.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tom T [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THElizzard01 Tough, but fair.[/quote]I admire your ability to accurately sum up MsCadet in less than a minute.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The EAKLE The review was blatantly cynic about the game. Many of the points were completely true, but exaggerated to make it seem like game breaking issues. It also basically says 'If you're having fun in this game, you're wrong and you need to wake up and stop enjoying it.' Yes, Incendiary Canons are overpowered, but i've never seen one come in an ordinance drop. Also talks about Ordinance drops as if they were constantly in your face, when in reality there's more than a few playlists without it. Notice how the multiplayer review barely talks about the playlists at all, other than mentioning Regicide. Claims the game has no strategy involved, then goes on to say how a person can call in an overshield in order to get a triple kill in the base. Isn't saving the ordinance drop for the right time and choosing the right ordinance a strategy itself? The guy who wrote it knows a lot about games. He clearly has a knowledge about the core mechanics of 'competitive' gameplay and what the 'competitive' community likes. But because of this he digs too deeply into games, and thinks if he's having fun with different mechanics something must be wrong. If you don't look for reason to hate the game it's more than enjoyable. And what's wrong with enjoying a game? I agree with a lot of it. More team oriented spawns and weapons on map would do wonders for map control, and would give a more 'Halo' feel to gameplay. There are more than a few game mechanics i would tweak if i could. But they hardly break the game. It's still fun. I'm not going to stop having fun because some guy on the internet told me to. [/quote] I find this statement agreeable. Well, to the point of never seeing an Inc. cannon in a drop. They come around once ina while. There are quite a few differences in this game than we might be used to. Yes there are things that might need working, but the thing is.. everyone expects 343 to be completely on par with Bungie when it comes to Halo. Bungie made purely Halo games for a decade. This was 343's first real standalone game, and unfortunately for them they had a lot to live up to by taking this title on. Now, they have a few choices to make, and hopefully they realize what needs work and what to do better next time. They've promised an entire new trilogy and H4 is only the first. When it comes to being on par with the Halo we all have come to know and love, this comes close but doesn't quite make it all the way, but as a game I find it very enjoyable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godshatter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WinyPit82 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Potato Joe I pretty much agree with the review. Halo 4 is a mixed bag for me. I like some stuff but hate other stuff. The story was complete garbage though. It could of been good but the way it was presented and the pacing was absurd and it really didn't make any sense. You can tell the writing staff was not very talented. [/quote] I have my fair share of Halo 4 complaints, but I fail to see how the story was less enjoyable than any other Halo games. It's only flaw was that background knowledge on the Forerunners not explained in-game was needed to understand it. [/quote]For someone like me who reads lots of science fiction, the Halo story has always been sub-par. [/quote] The Greg Bear novels redeem the expanded universe, Karen Traviss disgusts me.
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I had [i]one[/i] problem with the campaign, one [b]HUGE[/b] problem and that was the ghost-escape sequence. I understand they COD'd the game a bit, but that portion of the game was absolutely pathetic. Impossible to lose, extremely fake-feeling, by gaming standards, and overall probably one of the most retarded things I've had to do in a game in recent memory. Otherwise, I love the campaign visuals, story, and gameplay. It's tough at certain points, and I like that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Potato Joe I pretty much agree with the review. Halo 4 is a mixed bag for me. I like some stuff but hate other stuff. The story was complete garbage though. It could of been good but the way it was presented and the pacing was absurd and it really didn't make any sense. You can tell the writing staff was not very talented. [/quote] I think the actual story, not the how dialogue presents it, is amazing. But yeah, its a mixed bag. Some things in Matchmaking Slayer bug me and the Campaign gameplay is repetitive as hell. [Edited on 11.14.2012 11:01 PM PST]
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I thought Tom T. was short for tom taylor, I got excited an mlg pro has such well developed writing abilities.
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I hated Del Rio, not because he's meant to be hated but because he was a bad piece of fictional writing. He was just a badly crafted character. His line "What I want to know is... Where the hell did those things come from!?" was without a doubt the worst single line in Halo history. I mean as soon as he said it I immediately thought "Where do you think they came from?! WHERE DO YOU THINK?!!", it was such a bad piece of dialogue that it actually affected my mood. What absolute garbage.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] C0NFUZ3D Del Rio hardly detracted from the story, although he was a prick.[/quote]He was easily the worst character in the entire Campaign, if you can call him a character, as he is nothing but a walking stereotype that could be indentified within seconds of meeting the character. They could have made him about twenty times as subtle and the story would have benefitted so much more. Because guess what? Old Captain Del Rio has a point. Why should he risk the lives of all the men of the Infinity to engage this new and terrifying foe? Instead of portraying him as a selfish asshat, portray him as a commander that legitimately cares about his troops, and who's authority issues and biases against Chief and Cortana only come out when he reaches the straining point as the story goes on. That way, he seems more like a person and less like a flaming cliche. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LordOfBlah51 I think that was BS. Story and sounds are some of Halo 4's strong suits; you've got to be retarded or something if you can't see that. I think I'll stick to the reviewers that I've heard of before.[/quote]So the Warthog is supposed to sound like a dirt bike?
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Agree with the Campaign section, disagree slightly with multiplayer review.
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Even though he dislikes Halo 4, I disagree with a lot of what he says.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WinyPit82 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Potato Joe I pretty much agree with the review. Halo 4 is a mixed bag for me. I like some stuff but hate other stuff. The story was complete garbage though. It could of been good but the way it was presented and the pacing was absurd and it really didn't make any sense. You can tell the writing staff was not very talented. [/quote] I have my fair share of Halo 4 complaints, but I fail to see how the story was less enjoyable than any other Halo games. It's only flaw was that background knowledge on the Forerunners not explained in-game was needed to understand it. [/quote]For someone like me who reads lots of science fiction, the Halo story has always been sub-par.
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Great review.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude This review really rings true with me. There's so much there that I agree with, particularly about dynamic spawns creating killboxes in the center of the map (I'm looking at you Exile). What a gutting shame this is..... I must admit I always suspected Halo 4 would be pretty bad, but I always wanted to be wrong about that suspicion.[/quote] But Halo 4 isn't bad? lol. Like seriously...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Killer4785 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zarrowsmith All I got from that review was that the reviewer was mad that they weren't very good at the game, and that essentially made the game bad.[/quote] From my experience everyone is good at the game. Seriously I have not met a single person on Halo 4 with a negative K/D. And everyone I play against just takes pot shots at each other and runs away if there about to die. Halo 4 is nothing but "good" players.[/quote] [url=http://i.qkme.me/rdr.jpg]Everyone is a winner?[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zarrowsmith All I got from that review was that the reviewer was mad that they weren't very good at the game, and that essentially made the game bad.[/quote] From my experience everyone is good at the game. Seriously I have not met a single person on Halo 4 with a negative K/D. And everyone I play against just takes pot shots at each other and runs away if there about to die. Halo 4 is nothing but "good" players.
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Well, that was pretty good actually. I even learned the name of what I have been voicing my never dying hatred for: Skinner box.
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I think that was BS. Story and sounds are some of Halo 4's strong suits; you've got to be retarded or something if you can't see that. I think I'll stick to the reviewers that I've heard of before.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Delicious Cyan The multiplayer reviewer simply regurgitated the things he saw on "Extra Credits". There was never a single mention on the entire damned internet of "Skinner box progression" until Extra Credits did an episode on them.[/quote] Can someone with a waypoint account call this guy a moron for me? People have been saying that since Reach.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed But you don't need anything but the newer books for Halo 4. And 343 created all of those, so saying they can't create a story for anyone except for those who read the old books is just wrong.[/quote] The point I'm making is that 343 seem to make the story based on the assumption that you've delved deeper into the lore (whether they created it or not) by having to find, watch, or read something outside of the campaign missions and their cinematics.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dazarobbo Agreed with the lot of it. However, there was one point which I think should have been mentioned. After completing the Campaign, I've complained about how incoherent the storyline is, only to be told to go and read the books, watch the videos (ie. FUD), and unlock the terminals. The fact that I'm told I have to do that I feel only reinforces my argument of how badly written it was. [/quote]That was my #1 complaint, I have long since stopped reading the books, last one I read was Cole Protocol and a little of the Evo, but you should never be forced to read outside info in order to understand a game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zealot Tony [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zealot Tony [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowHalo94 Like I said, I admit that 343 catered more to the fans that read the books.[/quote] Which only tells me that 343i can't create a story without problems for fans who don't delve deeper into Halo lore. That shouldn't have to happen at all. [/quote] Except they created the lore required for Halo 4...[/quote] The lore created, as Shadow said, was catered more for people who had read the novels or found the terminals, or even watched the live-action series. Why did the Storm faction of the Covenant form (all that was told was that "A lot can happen in 4 years")? What was the reasoning for the Didact's hatred, the reasoning for his behavior and how his ultimate imprisonment occurred on Requiem (which was explained thoroughly in the terminals, which have to be found first)? The past relationship between Lasky and the Chief was also never touched (although this is not as big of an issue relative to the story.)[/quote] But you don't need anything but the newer books for Halo 4. And 343 created all of those, so saying they can't create a story for anyone except for those who read the old books is just wrong.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zealot Tony [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowHalo94 Like I said, I admit that 343 catered more to the fans that read the books.[/quote] Which only tells me that 343i can't create a story without problems for fans who don't delve deeper into Halo lore. That shouldn't have to happen at all. [/quote] Except they created the lore required for Halo 4...[/quote] The lore created, as Shadow said, was catered more for people who had read the novels or found the terminals, or even watched the live-action series. Why did the Storm faction of the Covenant form (all that was told was that "A lot can happen in 4 years")? What was the reasoning for the Didact's hatred, the reasoning for his behavior and how his ultimate imprisonment occurred on Requiem (which was explained thoroughly in the terminals, which have to be found first)? The past relationship between Lasky and the Chief was also never touched (although this is not as big of an issue relative to the story.)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zealot Tony [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowHalo94 Like I said, I admit that 343 catered more to the fans that read the books.[/quote] Which only tells me that 343i can't create a story without problems for fans who don't delve deeper into Halo lore. That shouldn't have to happen at all. [/quote] Except they created the lore required for Halo 4...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowHalo94 Like I said, I admit that 343 catered more to the fans that read the books.[/quote] Which only tells me that 343i can't create a story without problems for fans who don't delve deeper into Halo lore. That shouldn't have to happen at all.
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I found the review to be very opinionated, nostalgia-filled, and biased beyond belief. I did agree on a few of the multiplayer points, but rarely did I see comments backed by facts. It was a poor review when put to my standards, but compared to some others, it was okay.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dazarobbo [url=http://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst138633_-Brutally-honest--Halo-4-review----3-5-s.aspx]Edit: lol at the replies[/url]. [quote]Also, bizarrely, he criticizes the sound design despite the fact it's miles ahead of anything the series has seen before.[/quote]lolwut[/quote] And now I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day, thanks for the lolz
