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1/21/2015 5:34:07 AM
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List of Possible PvP Nerfs?
Nerfs:
1. Probably the most needed would definitely be the Fusion Rifles. While having a midrange one-shot kill option adds an interesting dynamic to the crucible, these weapons are quickly becoming over-used and abused by less skilled players to gain easy kills/points.
2. Another necessary nerf would definitely be fixing the "Panic" Supers. This is obviously referring to the use of both the Striker Titan's "Fist of Havoc" super ability, as well as the Voidwalker Warlock's "Nova Bomb" in a panicked manner. (Ex: Super-charged Warlock/titan and a super-charged gunslinger hunter both turn a corner at the same time, even if the hunter is able to begin its animation of summoning the golden gun, by this time the titan/warlock has already activated their super to kill the hunter) my personal opinion is that this could be fixed with prolonging the animation for the "Fist of Havoc" and the "Nova Bomb" so that this panic usage of these supers does not turn into the very well known "panic knifing" of Call of Duty.
3. While on the topic of Melee kills, the Titan's (I'm not exactly sure what subclass it is in) Shoulder Charge is a one-hit Melee kill, where as all of the other classes/subclasses' special Melee still requires two hits to achieve a kill. This is not a important as the first two, but I still think it is worth mentioning.
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List of nerfs 1. You 2. Your gaming console 3. Your tv or projector
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1 ReplyQuit whining about nerfs and start raid matchmaking
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Nerf wars!!!!
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1 ReplyEh I think fusion rifles are good because even though I don't use them a lot if you miss you are an immediate gonna. I battle people with fusion rifles and if you move side to side and jump strange timing you can easily avoid it and them not having time for another charge. Learnt this technique from halo with rail guns
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You obviously use a Hunter for PvP. The animation for warlocks is just as long, maybe longer than the one for Hunters, you can't "panic" nova bomb, the animation takes a full 2-3 seconds. The only super that you can "panic" use it the Fist of Havoc, because it has no animation, happens almost instantly, and doesn't need to really be aimed. However, just because there's something powerful in the game, doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. Titans are supposed to be walking tanks.
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1 ReplyCan people just stfu about nerfs already?
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how do you fix panic supers? the hunters golden gun is the strongest overall. im not the best at implementing it but its a 1 hit kill from anywhere on the map. its nice to be able to cancel out supers especially a blade dancers. i do panic super whats the problem with using it defensively? i do it to extend my kill streaks. and this isnt a "git gud" comment but you really have to work on your credibility. you cant even maintain an even k/d output and bungie should listen to your concerns? i think theres a lot of other issues with your game besides what youve listed here.
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You obviously use a Hunter for PvP. The animation for warlocks is just as long, maybe longer than the one for Hunters, you can't "panic" nova bomb, the animation takes a full 2-3 seconds. The only super that you can "panic" use it the Fist of Havoc, because it has no animation, happens almost instantly, and doesn't need to really be aimed. However, just because there's something powerful in the game, doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. Titans are supposed to be walking tanks.
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Stop asking for nerfs. Less special ammo? Ok. Changing the stats for guns because you're poor at defending against them? Stfu.
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No game is perfect, every game needs little fixes to adjust things. Just because you don't enjoy the crucible, doesn't mean that other people shouldn't either. Bungie is going to find a way to make things balanced on both sides of the game, these were just my suggestions. In reality, I play more PvE than I do PvP, but I enjoy both types of play. There's a reason that Destiny has both game modes, and since they have them, they should have them both be balanced.
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I agree with fusion rifles 100% and everyone else out there agrees they need to be nerf but the other two statements are you just being upset by getting killed
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I understand this post and approve
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9 RepliesOf course the Hunter wants all classes but his nerfed. Get real dude, and grow a pair. If getting killed in a video game hurts your feelings and you refuse to accept that you need to improve go play Minecraft. Tired of nerf crying kids. As for fusions address the real problem with this. Extremely poor map design that strongly favors close range weapons and over saturation of special ammo that allows players to run special weapons as primaries in game.
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8 RepliesEdited by Entity: 1/21/2015 1:15:28 PM1. You call out nerf making guns less effective in PvE and overall 2. All you PvP noobs just cry and whine 3. stfu 4. Everything is OP so it's balanced 5. Fusion rifles are OP 6. Shotguns are just as leathel if not more effective 7. All supers are pretty much give me a free kill free pass 8. Don't make classes weaker because they'll be useless in PvE 9. It all depends on play style and skill 10. So please just stfu (: Edit: I mean if you want so much nerf they might as well Nerf everything!! Nerf the jumping, nerf the speed in which you run, nerf how bright the sun is, nerf bullets so then you're pretty much shooting paintballs ect.. stop ruining the game people!! Especially you PvP cry babies!!
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4 RepliesJust gotta say that a hunter that turns a corner AND THEN uses their super kinda deserves to die especially in front of a Titan. Using your radar and map knowledge can cut back on those deaths in super animation. Shoulder charge can be left alone it's really one of the Titans only good perks for the striker class. Each class has their annoying thing, and shoulder charge is annoying but smart play can help out play them. Real issues in pvp is simply how often special ammo spawns.
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Edited by Silvurphlame: 1/21/2015 1:27:32 PMDon't activate Hunters Golden Gun right in front of your enemy. Do it around a corner or something. Don't activate GG if you stumble into someone going around a corner. That's what shotguns and your throwing knife are for. The Fist of Panic :) and the Nova Bomb animation have to be fairly short both are comparatively short range, so a longer animation would make them useless. If you get shoulder charged, then it's honestly that's your fault for not paying attention. But I could understand lowering the damage to be equivalent to a normal melee.
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6 RepliesI agree with none of this. What people don't understand is that: 1. If you nerf a gun solely based on pvp, you have screwed over anyone who uses that for pve 2. Why do you care about a panic super. It's one death for you, and they just wasted their super. It's a instinct and maybe a play style so learn to either get over it or counter it. 2. Can't titans have one thing that make them decent in pvp
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3 RepliesI believe 100% the trip mine grenades need a substantial nerf, they're a guaranteed insta-kill , it's ridiculous, they can kill you quicker that firing a shotgun from point blank. What needs to happen I'm my opinion is to reduce the damage that they deal by 30% therefore they will still be affective by take 2/3 of your health off but not killing you. Anyone else think this??
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5 RepliesEdited by J117: 1/21/2015 9:52:07 AMStop being such a crybaby. If you don't like how the game plays just go play something else like cod or whatever. Don't ruin the game for everyone else. Selfish. Just man up and deal with the fact you got beaten. Do not come on here crying and demanding nerfs. There is more to this game than god damn pvp!!! Okay so you basically want the other classes nerfed and hunter left alone so you can kill everyone else easily. Honestly I read all these nerf posts by little kids but yours really takes the piss. Wtf dude. If you had your way we would just be running around waving and dancing but then you would probably want dancing nerfed because someone has better moves than you. Seriously when you ask for nerfs because of crucible you UNBALANCE the game for pve players such as myself. This game was not made for you and you alone. I don't mean to have a go but grow a pair or just play something else. Job done.
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I actually laugh about people who panic super me cause I wait till they are in a room with a bunch of others and blade dance them away. One kill for their team, two or more for mine! :-)
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Edited by WizardlyOgre: 1/21/2015 8:26:21 AM1) Limit special ammo in crucible: this fixes all issues concerning special weapons in PvP 2) All the supers are 1HK with the exception of Defender's and Sunsinger's, and they have other abilities to make up for this. Bottom line, it's balanced. 3) Just like the supers, every class has one subclass that can 1HK with their melee: Bladedancer has Blinkstrike with Backstab, Striker has Shoulder Charge, and Sunsinger can pull it off with a regular melee while using Radiance. All are situational and again, are balanced between the 3 classes. Balanced.
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I play as every character and panic supers are really annoying but if they're that bad let it be, 95% of the time the people that do it don't finish in the top 3
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2 RepliesShut up. There is a separate portion of the game called pve. Its currently being ruined by a bunch of children that play too much PvP and take it far too seriously. You think warlock and titan panics are bad? What about that hunter that almost gets taken out, and sits in a corner until he is fully healed. Then uses blade dancer to invincibly impart carnage. Or the hunter that walks into a room with only one person then blade dances because he knows he sucks. Or the hunter that wastes all 3 golden gun shots because he knew you were gonna wreck him. At least titan and warlock panic smashes are used in unwinnable situations. And you can find pride in knowing your a better player than them. Hunters are walking panic buttons,
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I play as a hunter too and this guy sounds like a whiny little bitch. Everything is fine the way it is.
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Enjoy the game and stop crying nerf. Offer a solution like making a Playlist with no supers and only primary weapons. When u cry nerf u ruin a gun in pve. Cause bungie doesn't understand how to separate gun stats between the 2 game modes.
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Hawkmoon, last word and thorn.
