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Edited by The Cellar Door: 12/28/2014 7:22:18 PM
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"The Fossil Record" is NOT valid proof.

Let me give you a hypothetical parallel; if I was to ask a Christian what the [b]biblical[/b] explanation of the birth of Jesus Christ was, and they said "the bible", how can I possibly understand or accept the assertion of the biblical interpretation of Jesus Christ? Further more, if they are to go as far as to say that he was birthed by a virgin mother, explaining this by merely saying "this book; this verse", is it illogical to disbelieve such an assertion? No, of course it isn't. They have not explained their evidence to this biblical claim, and as such there evidence is irrelevant. Similarly, when someone disbelieves Darwinian Evolution, and you curse them for ignorance and denial of science, and they ask for evidence, and you simply state, "the fossil record." Are these two words magical? No. Do they refer to a record of fossils left over from past lived organisms on earth? Yes. Does this record, by itself, provide proof of Darwinian Evolution to someone who doesn't know? [b]No.[/b] If this naysayer of Darwinian Evolution even goes forth to google "the fossil record", will they then been shown [i]comprehendible[/i] evidence for Darwinian Evolution? [b]No.[/b] They will be shown an index of past lived organisms. That's great, now how does that explain Darwinian Evolution to someone who didn't believe it prior? [b]It doesn't.[/b] Before you consider it idiotic to not accept Darwinian Evolution, understand that everyone lives a different life, and maybe they need to be shown [b]actual evidence[/b] to accept something. Which, you should as well. Blind acceptance is worse than ignorance. If you believe in Darwinian Evolution due to you being told "the fossil record" that's fine, but don't argue and insult another about Darwinian Evolution because of this "evidence". If asked for proof, be logical, provide LINKS to your thinking. As much as we might not like it, on the internet, everyone is about as credible as dirt as far as scientific endeavors are concerned. Possibly provide a link to a RELIABLE SOURCE explaining how the fossil record is evidence for evolution, a RELIABLE SOURCE explaining the spotted moth expirement, a RELIABLE SOURCE explaining Darwin's Finches. Just my two cents. Many people don't understand what "proof" or "evidence" is, and it surely isn't simply stating, "the fossil record" when talking about Darwinian Evolution. [quote][quote][url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_02]The Fossil Record is valid proof.[/url] "The Fossil Record" is NOT.[/quote] I'm talking about argumentative process, not evolution.[/quote] [b][u]TL;DR: The bible doesn't speak on Darwinian Evolution, so it is false. [/u][/b]

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  • I think the thing people [u]need[/u] to understand that in science, nothing can be proven. They also need to understand that much of the bible, especially numbers, is meant to be symbolic. Fundamentalists are looked down upon in most religions.

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    • Yeah, uh, no. Evidence is only part of it. In order for Darwin to reach his final theory, he used a lot of reasoning to determine the most logical of the possibilities of what happened. The evidence is comprehendible unless you're an idiot. I'm not saying people today are as smart as Darwin. It's much much harder to look at the evidence and create a sound theory than it is to look at the evidence and see how it fits with a theory that is already proposed. Of course, you can't actually prove Darwinian evolution because it is a THEORY, and a theory is something that has been supported many many times with no evidence against it. It supports Darwinian evolution, but only in part, as reasoning is needed to connect the evidence to the theory. Most evidence is straight forward either.

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      • If - Darwinian evolution is fact - then - aliens must be real and some of them probably want our planet. I hope they're green and from Orion. That is a very large IF though. There are a great many shadowed spots in the Darwinian evolutionary timetable. Irreducible complexity has some merit and attempting to explain these unknown gaps requires some leaps of...wait for it...faith...in science. Which is consistently off by a bit or downright incorrect (not only in biology). Which admittedly is part of the process. "Darwinism" would not and does not provide an adequate explanation for the as yet discovered history of life. Which does not automatically indicate the veracity of Intelligent Design. However there is SO much emotion and personal baggage trailing along behind this particular conundrum that finding an unbiased analysis of available information is not likely. After all. .. tenure is worth quite a lot.

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        • Gr8 b8 m8 gotta r8 0/8

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          • Good read, friend ^_^ Love the tldr as well (っ˘ڡ˘ς)

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          • B8, but.... [spoiler] archaeopteryx [/spoiler]

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            • your tldr doesn't match the actual topic

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              • Reason 4959603918183 the theory of the earth being 6000 years old is fake: next year they will say the earth is 6000 years old

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                • You've really opened up a rotten can of worms here, Door. Although it was opened with good intention, and fulfills its immediate goal, the recipients have disregarded the entire point of your words. Subsequently, falling back into the age old Internet debate of whining at each other like little children. However, their arguments, regardless of validity, can be rather hilarious at times.

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                  • My friend... Are you playing a little devil's advocate here? Good subject though.

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                    • Quick! Someone close the cellar door.

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                    • Well were is your proof

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                    • For people putting their trust in the different sciences that give the evidence, as proof, they will say just that. It isnt as misguided as christians using the bible as proof. Spiderman is real.

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                    • Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy Lmaoooooooooo

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                      • If the fossil record is not evidence for evolution then I give up.

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                        • Lol, good troll.

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                          • The chicken or the egg?

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                            • Edited by Simba: 12/29/2014 6:11:39 AM
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                              • The fossil record is evidence as long as you give examples of it. Just blindly saying the fossil record is evidence without giving specific examples isn't the best idea. Some examples of human evolution I have are as follows: 1. Prehistoric human remains ( neanderthalls ) found in caves with similar albeit different features such as different shape of bones or extremely large or small in height. 2. Humanity evolving intelectually to speak or draw pictures on walls. 3. The flight or fight responce was something we developed over time for when we're in danger. 4. We developed the ability top walk on two feet. These are just the ones from the top of my head; Evolution happened and there are mountains of evidence for it.

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                                • Not this agian. I.....I ,ah forget it. Let the new guys take care of this.

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                                  • It is, as it's real

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                                    • I lol'd

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                                    • Lol why do you care? Nobody actually gives a -blam!-. People are gonna believe whatever they wanna believe in regardless of what you throw at them.

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                                      • science and gospel are not parallels. Once "truth" is found in religion there are no more attempts to prove or disprove that "truth". If you don't agree then you are an unbeliever who will burn in hell lol. Science is the opposite, scientists love to prove other scientists wrong, and they have been trying to disprove Darwin for the last 150 years, but they haven't been able to come up with anything better than natural selection. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't true. It just means you need to study :)

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                                        • Speaking of dinosaurs(word coined in the 1800s). Old word being tanniyn. Look into Isaiah 27. There are references in the historical and spiritual bible of ole dinosaurs among men. Interesting.

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                                          • I didn't see a dinosaur walk on its feet so I'll assume they were made by the devil and attacked Noahs Ark! [spoiler]hurr hurr the system works hurr[/spoiler]

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