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12/13/2014 2:19:11 PM
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Did the historical Jesus exist?

yes, of course

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no, duh

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who's Jesus?

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maybe

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I want reasons people. We beg the question, whether one can rationalize a human of such popularity for his time and craft and find fault in the task of determining the unique distinction between other such god men. [spoiler]he has already came to save us and he will come again for reconciliation. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light.[/spoiler]

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  • Edited by ArchRecon Ops: 2/11/2015 8:22:58 AM
    Jesus (hey-zoos) was a black middle eastern man who's failure of a cuckold father looked after with his cheating wife. He was a mediocre magician who hung around with outcasts and prostitutes. He had a group of friends that were a bunch of beta tagalongs who went around making [i]s[/i]hit up about Jesus. [spoiler]Christians be mad[/spoiler]

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  • He could have, he could have not. I'd rather leave it at that to avoid Christians and Atheists shoving their beliefs down my throat. Also I don't give two -blam!-s lol.

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  • Jesus existed...but he was more of a [b]prophet[/b] than a "Son of God". Sorry christians... :T

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    • Yes, it is widely accepted that Jesus did exist and that he was crucified. Whether he was the son of God or not is something that is up for debate.

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    • I learned about him in social studies so yes.

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    • Exist yes, do everything in the bible I wouldn't know

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    • Probably did in some way

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    • He probably did, but he definitely isn't a white man with blonde hair and blue eyes. If anything he would have had middle eastern appearance. With a beard and dark skin.

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      • Edited by Shadow: 12/14/2014 1:06:44 AM
        No one knows but i bet he did but its not this godlike figure everyone is making him up to be. I mean look at santa clause or formaly as known as kris Kringle.

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        • Most likely. I know that by itself it isn't very strong, but the New Testament is composed of several documents, both the Gospels and the epistles, which bear witness to His existence. The epistles were composed within the same century He is said to have lived, and the Gospels from the century after, which is pretty darn close. The New Testament is also the most plentiful, widely attested document in all of antiquity. There is also the writings of the Church Fathers such as the Ante Nicene Fathers. Each of these writings reference Christ, discuss His teachings, and mention people who are said to have known Him personally or know the people who did know Him personally. I think it was St. Clement who was said to have known & been ordained by one of the disciples? Christ also has a few brief mentions in the Roman historical record, although to be fair, these are a bit later and have sometimes been extrapolated and added to. Altogether, I think this is reason enough to say that He existed, even if the miracles, teachings, and legends surrounding Him aren't entirely true. You also have the circumstantial evidence. It's unlikely that He would have been made up given that Orthodox Christians had nothing to gain. The disciples were martyred, kicked out of Judaism, stigmatized, and persecuted for their faith. Same goes for Christianity itself up until the Edict of Milan. Very few people are willing to die for something they know is a lie. Therefore, I don't think the disciples or early Christendom would have made Him up. And I don't think that they would have merely interpreted Him as a spiritual reality or some vague concept opposed to a real person given that the earliest ones were Jews, and they had a notoriously empirical way of looking at things and understanding the world. There's also the surprising fact that none of the early skeptics of Christianity ever attacked Christ's existence. They certainly would have had access to more resources that we don't have access to, and they certainly would have had the agenda, but suspiciously they never attacked His existence. This suggests that there was probably a very good case He did in fact exist. The Islamic Qur'an and Jewish Talmud also mention Jesus Christ's existence, although they are later sources and do disagree with Christianity as a religion. The problem is that people assume that just because the sources for Christ are religious, that they are unreliable. But the fact of the matter is that Christ was a religious figure and so most sources about Him are going to be of a religious nature. Asking for non-religious related sources for Christ is like asking for non-military/political sources of Julius Caesar. It's more likely to me that either Jesus existed and truly is what Christianity believes Him to be, or He existed as a mere man and was later mythologized by His followers. But I don't think it's likely that He never existed.

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        • Edited by Jeff: 1/4/2015 3:40:56 AM
          I believe that Jesus existed because it is not reasonable to think the Jews would create a hero that was crucified. Their holy book told them that the coming messiah was going to be a king like David and a new world was going to be created with this messiah ruling from Jerusalem. None of their holy scriptures mentioned that he would be killed by his enemies and later raise from the dead. Also there are many independent sources in the Bible that contest that Jesus existed including Paul who wrote about 17 years after Jesus' death. (The writers of Mark, Luke, Matthew, John, the Q Source, the Signs Source, all have independent sources). The Talpiot Tomb along with the James Ossuary can be seen 'proving' with almost 100% certainty that Jesus existed.

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        • Of course not. Jesus/God were the same person. A magician. Magic has been around longer than you think. The bible is proof of Jesus/god's existence? Mr. Men and little miss is proof of Mr. Tickles's existence then.

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          • I don't really care.

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            • Yes. He is the most heavily referenced source of the time period. Was he really the son of god? That's been debated for a long time, and will continue to be debated for a while yet.

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            • Edited by Hieronymus of Colorado: 12/14/2014 2:21:40 AM
              Yes, the historical Jesus did exist, there is not question of that. He is the most attested to figure of that era, according to evidence. A better question would to be to ask "Who was the historical Jesus?" This is the question on which Christianity holds it's faith. It is the question historians and archeologists, having been trying to answer for decades, whether faithful or not.

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              • I believe completely that he was and still is real, I believe he is the son of god, and that all biblical records are true, take this for example, we are currently living in the year 2014 A.D, A.D meaning after death, now wether you believe in christ or not every single person knows that after death is the death of christ, and B.C means before christ, now tell me one man today who if they were to die, would restart the timeline back at zero, why when the earth is almost 6500 years old would men go back to year zero, secondly I have seen alot of power through his name, iv seen possessed people had demons cast out of them,, iv sewn people who should have died from sickness healed, I myself had the worst car crash, probably should have been dead but didnt even get a scratch, and trust me, ud wanna work out quick what you believe in, because ur gonna start see stuff happening soon that will scare you to death, and if you dont choose christ as your lord and saviour you will experience an eternal death in hell, some would say, well that sounds horrible, why would god send anyone to a place burning with fire and brimstone, well you first have to understand the nature of God, if god is just, meaning perfect and only good, then it would be wrong of him not to punish evil, it would be like a judge letting a rapist off the hook, that judge would no longer be a good judge but corrupt, now gods standards are much higher, god rwgards even a lie as sin, and any sin is punishable of hell, and that's why he sent his only son to die for us, that we might have eternal life in heaven, he is like the brigde back to god, when jesus died on the cross, it wasnt just to suffer, but it was him taking all our sins upon himself and putting them to death as he died, and coming back to life three days later was to symbolise that death and sin have been beaten through him, jesus was sent to earth to bear our sin, not his own as he was sinless before god, but our sin, that is the reason we celebrate Christmas, its his birth that saved our life, all you have to do is trust and believe in him, follow what he has asked you to do and be as sinless as humanly possible, god is faithful to forgive any man his sin but only through his son, if you follow what god has asked you to do you will live eternally in heaven, but if you refuse and continue to live in your sin, you will die, you will be judged and ul spend eternity in hell, god doesn't want any man to go to hell it says that in the bible, but because he is good that is his just punishment and to continue being good he cant change his mind, so you have to accept him before its to late, read the bible not as someone wanting to try and find faults, but as someone who is willing to accept it, just remember if you were to die and not known jesus you wont end up somewhere good, and you will curse the day you were ever born, and you will remember reading this and from hell you will wish you had only listened

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                • Nope

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                • Lel 69%

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                • Edited by UnluckyRaspberry: 12/14/2014 1:09:21 AM
                  what is a jeusus

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                  No one knows.

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                • If you read the book 'caesars messiah: the Roman Conspiracy to Invent jesus' it may give you another perspective he says the Roman emperor Tiberious Flavain invented jesus to surpress the Jewish people in Judea and make a pacifist messiah rather then a militaristic Jewish messiah. If I'm remembering correctly

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                  • I've read some interesting theories that there were several prophets that were collectively known as Jesus. It wasn't just one guy, but a reformation movement for the Jewish religion.

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                    • Being Christian myself I believe beyond a doubt historically he existed. I do believe he was the Son of God, but maybe some of his miracles are over statements. Personally I believe the Old Testament to be a collection of allegories, metaphors and symbolism. I believe in evolution, Big Bang theory. My view is that God set all of that in motion and monitors over His creation. Also this earth is more than 6000 years old. Just my two cents.

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                      • While there is very little historical evidence of Jesus’ miracles there are several documentations of Jesus’ crucifixion, Annals, book 15, chapter 44, by the roman Tacitus, “Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.” And also in the Antiquities of the Jews, book 18 ( on Jewish sedition) and the activates of the Jewish society following Jesus’ death.

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                        • He was a man who lived and died, yes. Whether he was born from a virgin who was impregnated by a big, booming voice from the sky or not is up for debate. As are his supposed "miracles."

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                          • Ya.

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