Kudos. Want to give a shout to the 6 man team who absolutely destroyed me in crucible ( left me wounded with a 0.38KD ) - Seem to played against them quite a few times now. Off the top if my head members included shinigami slays ( hopefully spelt correctly, ) Was a former friends list player who I never actually played with ( sorry ) despite his many attempts until he removed me. Frankie Boyle .. And well 4 other guys, who I can't remember off the top of my head ( I'll see if it's still on my recent games ) edit : team -- game mandigo Tfcd impulse Xfrankie Boyle Rohrmann Shinigami slays Epilogy Congrats to you guys anyway, you proved to me that this game DOES definitely involves skill. Skill, timing, teamwork, map placement and controlling the map as it should be done. A little luck and sloppy opposition. Also using the best weapons and practically feeding each other supers all day works wonders too. My only defence is that I was on a team with mostly randoms, and was playing as a lvl 25 hunter with poor weapons that were not all upgraded. I.e. ( I was using a green sniper and a blue rocket with a cryptic dragon SR) I usually main my Titan. ---- Well played, I have no problem admitting you guys are some of the best players ( pvp ) I have encountered and I ( and my team mates ) was simply outgunned and outplayed with no communication. I stayed until the end of the game then immediately swapped character lol. Good game. ( I realise there is a very slim chance they will see this but I will bump occasionally. )