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Edited by kellygreen45:
8/27/2014 12:43:28 PM
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Wow. You missed the point completely.
1. Unless this "older man" was her father, a teacher, a school official or a supervisor on the job.....WHERE DOES HE GET OFF COMMENTING ON WHAT SHE'S WEARING? That is inappropriate and intrusive...and she had a right to be angry.
She is correct that this guy wouldn't have felt so "entitled" to mouth off if she hadn't been female.
2. (Assuming you are male) Do people make ASSUMPTIONS about your character and sexual morals ("She dresses like a slut") based on what CLOTHES you choose to wear on a given day? I doubt that they do...and if they did, I doubt that they'd mouth off about to your face.
3. Your disrespect/contempt for her view of the world and HER life experience (to the extent that it differes from yours) is PALPABLE. (Slow clap for the teacher in calling you out...and using your obnoxious behavior as a negative example and a teachable moment) Both in how you treated her at the time...and how you speak of her (and her ideas) now.
So the irony here is that in badmouthing her...you've largely demonstrated her point. That women aren't respected. That they are judged for what is on the outside, rather than what is on the inside...and that men treat them as if they are subordinate to men...and the male perception of the world.
A person with more life experience than she would have done a better job of giving voice to that frustration with misogynistic prejudice....but, at the end of the day.
She's right. YOU'RE wrong.....and so wrong that you don't even see where your behavior is proving that she is right.
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*shakes head, disappointed*
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This whole fucking subthread
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That picture made me lol. I needed that. :D
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Holy crap, 136 comments
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Edited by kellygreen45: 8/28/2014 4:33:59 PMYep. Lots of guys that are h*llbent on "proving" that she's wrong....and attacking anyone who dares to offer her point of view any legitimacy. The really amusing irony in it all...is that all this hostility is PRECISELY what she was talking about. So the harder they flail about, the more they simply demonstrate that she is correct. That women----and their experience of life and the world---is simply not respected by many men. H*ll I had one kid even threaten me physically going on about how he was going to slap me around....until he found out that I'm a grown man...instead of a woman who was unwilling to "stay in her place."
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>Older man tells girl she dressed inappropriately >"omg kwit atking me" I know you had some logic at the beginning of this, where did it go?
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Edited by kellygreen45: 8/28/2014 6:05:24 PMhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/street-harassment-vocativ-video_n_5637529.html Nothing happens in a vacuum. EVERYTHING happens in a social context. "I have a boyfriend is the easiest way to get a man to leave you alone. Because he respects another man more than he respects you." ...and just about every post on this thread makes that abundantly clear.
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Edited by Swagu: 8/28/2014 6:10:34 PMHe respects that the woman is in a relationship. By that logic, the correct thing to do would be to continue to make moves on the girl knowing she has someone else in her life. Again I ask, where did the little logic you have go?
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Wow....you truly don't get it. The "correct" thing to do would be to honor HER refusal. That HER saying, "No, I'm not intrested in you and your sexual attention". Whether or not she is in a relationship, notwithstanding. You basically just confirmed her point that a woman's "No" is not respected. Only the implied "No" of potentially violating another man's "territory". Jesus....
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And you just proved all problems males have with feminists views, which is "every man who even acknowledges my existence only wants to have sex with me".
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Edited by kellygreen45: 8/28/2014 7:24:29 PMSo women's only "existence" is their female sex characterstics? THAT is the problem women have with sexist men. That women have no value, and nothing to offer beyond their capacity to stimulate sexual interest in men. If a woman WANTS your sexual attention, or to validate her attractiveness.... she will let you know....and if she doesn't, you can' BET that she's not interested.
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Edited by Swagu: 8/28/2014 8:09:56 PMYou really like to pull random shit from your ass. Or do you just REALLY like contorting context to your liking? So we have to sit around and wait for a woman to come up to us and say "Lets -blam!-"? Or even to simply start a non-intimate relationship? Because that happens a lot doesn't it? It's generally expected of the man to make the first move in a relationship or even friendship for that matter.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 8/28/2014 8:28:47 PMROFLMAO. Oh God, I think I broke something. Oh, child you are so lost. Let me clue you in on a few things. No woman you are going to *want* to sleep with is going to come up and sexually proposition you in such a crude manner. If she does, there's a good chance that she's going expect to get paid for it at the end of the HOUR...nevermind the night. Not to mention giving you something that not even a shot of penicillin is going to cure. Non-(ahem)-"professional" women have far more subtle ways of expressing interest. Secondly, there is a concept called "FEMALE CHOICE'. Any woman you will ever get into bed without committing a FELONY, CHOSE you, long before you ever "put the moves' on her. The kind of signals a woman sends that communicates her interest involve things like. Standing close to you. Touching you frequently when she talks to you. High pitched laughter and "hair flipping" which signals her anxiousness to please you. One of my major college girlfriends just came up and sat down next to me in class. Did I "make the move" on her? Yes. But I'm not foolish enough not to recognize that she did everything short of hitting me over the head with a baseball bat to let me know that she would be receptive to my interest in her as a woman. When women complain about objectification, they are complaining about our (male) IGNORANCE of the dynamics of her right to choose her bed partners...and our DEAFNESS to the signals she is putting out that either says that she is receptive to being flirted with....or to leave her alone and go the h*ll away. Feminism is not your problem. You lack of understanding of how women's think and see the world is your problem.
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Dear -blam!-ing God your attempt at being condescending just hurts. The fact that every single comment you post contradicts the last one is the reason I'm backing down.
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Actually it doesn't contradict anything I've said. It just shows how little you understand about women, sex, and how the female mind operates.
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It shows that you either don't bother proof reading before you post or are simply an idiot.
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No. It shows that I have a much more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of women than you do. What I'm telling you is that you don't have as much control in male-female romantic interactions as you THINK you do....and if you act as if you actually do have that control, you will either p!ss women off. Or you will have the police showing up on your doorstep looking to haul you off to jail.
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Your comments still contradict each other.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 8/28/2014 9:23:38 PMNo, they don't. Just because women feel their own attraction to certain men...and will send out subtle cues to communicate that attraction doesn't mean they are interested in or receptive to the attentions of others men. Or that they lose the right to tell those men that they are not interested in to get lost. Nor does it mean that it gives random men the right to comment about them sexually or comment abou what they are wearing in a sexual manner. Or worse...the right to touch them in a sexual manner. What I've said ONLY "contradict" itself if you fundamentally do not recognize a woman's autonomy and the right to control her own life, and to control her own body. Which---if that's the case---goes a long way towards explaining the nature of this conversation.
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All this and still. [spoiler]Your comments contradict themselves.[/spoiler]
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No, they don't. ...and the fact that you fail to understand this makes me sad for you....and even sadder for any women who have misfortune of finding themselves in your orbit.
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My misfortune doesn't make your comments not contradict themselves.
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No. Your misfortune makes you think that they do. Because you cannot grasp that this is how women who live in countries where they are not treated as property...live.
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Oh. [spoiler]They still contradict themselves.[/spoiler]
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Edited by kellygreen45: 8/29/2014 12:14:55 PMNo. They don't Alice. This isn't Wonderland. Simply repeating the same incorrect statement over and over again, won't make it true. The fact that there are prostitutes in the world, doesn't make every woman who dresses a certain way into a prostitute or a "slut". The fact that women will select men that appeal to them, and send out subtle signals to them to try to attract their atttention doesn't mean that they want attention from every random male. The fact women try to give those men a sense of being in control of the romantic encounter, doesn't mean that they actually are....and that you won't get into serious (legal) trouble if you try to act like you are in control with a woman who is NOT interested in you. So---no---my points are not contradictory. ....and if you think they are, you are going to have a very serious problem managing to stay out of prison. I don't know where you live....but sexual assualt is frowned upon here in America. Even by other criminals.
