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Edited by KiIlworthy: 9/2/2014 12:28:17 AM
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Secrets of the Hive: Origin

You...you might be on to something

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You're...let's just say you're way off

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  • Edited by SaferMurderweapon: 8/26/2014 12:44:36 AM
    My theory; Someone stole their space honey and now they're seeking vengeance.

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  • It used to be its own species like humanity that populated it's solar system but then the flood infected them and the now version of the hive is a flood form but they still knew how to use their technology and with the knowledge from the gravemind they became capable of intersteller travel. But their flood side made them attack humanity and now they continue. This could explain why thrawls rush at you. They are like the infection form of the flood. And the knights are the hive version of the tanks and the acolytes are combat forms of the hive. And the wizards are a separate smaller gravemind which could explain how they can use the power of the void.

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  • Edited by ProGamingTurtle: 8/26/2014 1:56:54 AM
    Space zombies? (This is very similar to yours) Fallen? Ok, the fallen are only similar to hive thralls. So I think wizards or high powered hive leaders resurrect the dead dregs and vandals into hive thralls and the rest of the hive is it's own race, now let me go more into this. Why? I think this the rest of the hive behavior is smarter and they get behind cover. But the thralls go in and attack like what I have seen from the fallen the most. And the acolytes and wizards look very different from most of the fallen and hive thralls. I bet your saying "Pro this makes only 5% sense" well hive wizards are dark, evil u could say, and makes most sense if they use black magic. In the list of spells that are considered "black magic" is resurrection. Do u see it yet? No, well let's move on to why I think the hive are there own race. I have 2 theories for the hive so let's get in to it. The hive could be mutated fallen guardians wizards=warlocks but this very doubtful. On to the more likely theory, the hive are a wiped out civilization that has been mutated and brung back by something, the traveler…, and they now work for that thing and has to do it's biding. Why I think it might be the traveler. The traveler might be a living being. Since the the city is waiting for it to wake up and the traveler is simply tricking us by bringing on the golden age. The traveler is the darkness controlling the hive, cabal, and fallen. And the vex came to stop us cause they know we will stop the traveler so they went back in time to try and stop us cause they think the traveler is good like we do. So the vex is created by what ever lives in the future. Now back on to the connection between the fallen and hive. One last piece of evidence, the hive have big green eyes, but yet the thrall don't. The fallen when they die maybe their eyes decay fast along with their ears or hair depending if they are a dreg or fallen

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    • Nah. The hive are an ancient race that was created by crota.

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      • The hive are the remnants of a super advanced ancient civilization who sought immortality, but Instead became "space zombies."

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        • The walking dead happened to the fallen!

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        • Edited by Creature Of Habit: 8/26/2014 2:05:47 AM
          I believe the connection between the wizards and warlocks is significant here. They have many of the same attributes and abilities. This is a direct correlation between other races. The hive might just be like a collective of races that have been, assimilated or indoctrinated into a hive mind. We have to look at the name, the Hive, it's very meaning is "set on to reside in close association". This, if connected to the darkness existing as an omnipotent force as it may has in the past collected these races and implemented them into a fighting force for a purpose. It's very clear that their lives are insignificant due to the lack of self preservation meaning a large fighting "drone" army and I believe that the connection to the hive is not just the fallen but us as humans as well. Perhaps the fallen were given the same guiding light as we once were. We see them as raiders and bandits but maybe they are like us, searching for the light which saved us from ourselves. The light that brought the golden age of prosperity and put us in a level of coexistence human kind has never known. Would we not fight to take it back? How long have they been away and has there quest to take back the light clouded their judgment or can we even begin to understand their comprehension? I look to the house of wolves for answers. One last thing, notice that the hive do not use any "darkness" yet the hive use Ogres and other strange magic to push forward. Ghost 59 posted earlier that [quote]The hive are an ancient race that was created by crota.[/quote] Perhaps the moon itself hold significant history to the origins of the hive. It's interesting thought that the fallen use technology while the hive are the only race to use magic, other that us that is. That means there is another source out there, like the traveler. Something we haven't seen, one that has it's own agenda and driving force. I don't believe it's directly connected to the fallen, I believe the fallen have taken to their name, fallen from light and they want it back. and the hive look to deny them that. So what does it all mean? It means that the fallen could be in their eyes the same as us, guardians and we have taken the traveler into custody. They seek it's release. The hive look to capitalize on this advance and push deeper and closer to consuming the traveler. The hive themselves, are us and we are them, the fallen is in there ranks and even an ogre could be a cabal. Who knows...

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          • Maybe the hive are made up of lots of different dead races...

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            • I don't buy this one just because zombie of another alien race has been done before and just seems lazy on Bungie's part to recycle that.

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              • I think the Hive could be a damned race from a dark corner of the solar system that followed us back home during our exploration.

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                • I feel like the Darkness is somewhat like an infection. What I mean is that in some of the descriptions it says the Darkness gives powers to the enemy species. Over time the Darkness corrupts the enemies, and changes the organic parts of their body. So in this case Dregs become Thralls, Vandals become Acolytes, and Captains become Knights. For Hive Shriekers, they seem like Servitors that have some extra plating. Hive Ogres seem like Cabal that are corrupted by Darkness. Due to them being so big, the Darkness changed them so much it gave them "space magic." The Vex are robots so they don't really change due to the Darkness. The wizards seem like the only native Hive, and they are responsible for corrupting the Fallen and Cabal. Also in the Beta story, it seems like all the Ghosts, Vanguards, and the Speaker fear the Hive the most, because they signify the coming if Darkness. So yea this is one of my theories about the Hive.

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                  • I think the fallen made the vex in the future and sent them back in time and the cabal are some how linked to the hive. I saw some concept art on this. Vex are in a war with the cabal so thats why I think the fallen are fighting the hive.

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                  • my theory is that the darkness corrupted each species to become evil... like i saw an interview where someone said that the fallen used to be a good species, and now are bad. As for the Hive, the Darkness infected them into space zombies...

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                    • Keep up the Destiny video's it seems to be something that really suits you. Now I'll start where you started, The Vex - The Vex seem to be the least known, the cabal are a tad more known about then The Vex. I theorized 1 possiblity. The Vex are basically Exo's & let's say during the attack by the Darkness The Exo's had a civil war over organic life. On 1 side was The Exo's, who wanted to befriend/work with humanity & the other The Vex, believed things like they were slaves or like Shodan & simply thought they were superior. They were pushed back with The Darkness but here's where Bungie pulls inspiration from The Terminator perhaps. We know the Vex time travel or something. So when The Vex lost they built something to go forward in time to bring chaos to the peace between Exo's & organics in the future/present day Destiny - the world we play in. During the beta I heard the FWC Exo leader mention time & war a lot. The Fallen, can't say much till more lore but I assumed so far they have a judge against Exo's, humans, & Awoken. Perhaps they were a allie once during the fight with the Darkness but they're entire race got hit hard & they ended up blaming everyone else. This would explain why they seem to be on neither side. Cabal: Hardly much known yet just like the Vex. I wonder if they sided with The Fallen or if they sided with The Darkness because they believed they had a better bet serving it. No idea That aside, The Hive I always assumed were like The Flood in Halo, while that is true The Hive is said to be the in direct contact with The Darkness. Not only that but I took the time to side track when I was on The Moon. POSSIBLE SPOILERS I went down into The Pit. What I saw were not exactly a simple zombie race like they originally appeared back on earth. The entire place was extremely intricate & you saw exactly why they are called a Hive. It seemed like it was a "dark hive type castle under-ground" though I couldn't fully explore due to eventual closed doors infact Bungie had jokes set their for people who went too far in looking for something. Though that is another matter so I digress. More importantly I saw they are a higher archey of sorts & knowledgeable. The Hive their were dressed in gold armor or robes typically. 1 part of the place was called "The Halls Of Wisdom" which had a door that looked like the hadron collidor somewhat & 1 area I was met with a closed door but it's area name appeared anyway saying something like "The Summoning Halls" Maybe they are not just building a army but also maybe trying to open a door for The Darkness.

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                      • Intriguing! Definately some crazy stuff in the lore I can't wait to learn about! And I have a sneaky suspicion that the traveler is a giant ghost.

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                      • Edited by waiyuren: 8/26/2014 4:16:41 AM
                        Theories: *The Vex don't come from the future, but the past. They were created as a servitor race in the Hive's distant past (Notice the shape of the limbs and the crests, though the number of fingers is off), before the Hive's quest for immortality tainted them completely. Possibly still operating on ancient guidelines for conquest, and also possibly do not recognise the modern day Hive as their original masters. *The Hive possibly also created the Traveller (or Travellers) as sentient terraforming engines to create habitable worlds and advance indigenous races, at first benevolently, but as the Hive's hubris and evil grew the newly indoctrinated species were used as slave races. *The Fallen were one of the last (or first) species to be found and changed by a Traveller, only to fight back, but be destroyed/scattered when the Hive came to claim them (they worship mini-travellers). Some factions of Fallen have allied themselves with Humanity, or at least Awoken (Queen of the Reef has Fallen Bodyguards if I interpreted one of those trailers correctly), but others still blindly seek the favour of the Traveller on earth, believing it to be their saviour, and Humanity its jailor. *OR: The Fallen created the Traveller as a Terraforming engine, and truly believe our solar system is theirs because they found it and made it the way it is. *I have no idea where the Cabal fit in to any of this. Although the acute physiological differences between the "soldiers" and the "workers" (with no hint of a hive mind like the Hive, and possibly the Vex) says purpose engineered gene-pools to me, tenuously linking them to the Traveller as well. *The Hive itself is not the Darkness, although Crota may be one of its chief agents. I really have no idea, and all of the above was cobbled out of thin air.

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                        • Exos

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                        • You know how hive and fallen are always fighting each other maybe one of them is not a part of the darknesses army

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                        • Edited by Chunk E D: 8/26/2014 4:27:01 AM
                          I'm thinking now that maybe other races are fighting against the Darkness as well as each other. Bungie did release info that Fallen and Hive are against each other, as are the Cabal and Vex. This lead to the Fallen and Cabal joining forces and the Hive and Vex doing the same(you might wanna double check that just in case lol). Now, I got to thinking because of your theory, if the Hive are Fallen zombies, and if the Fallen are fighting against them, maybe they became zombies because of the Darkness. Now if the Fallen are fighting against the Darkness, and the Cabal joined them, then it would make sense that the Vex are the one's sided with the Darkness. Now, after this is going to be pure theory, no facts to back it up...since we don't know much about the Traveller...who's to say it's not some sort of signal for the Darkness to come and destroy a world in it's prime? And maybe that's where the Vex come in with their creators, yet they've been infected by the Darkness similar to how the Hive were...so yeah...conspiracy lol

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                          • Edited by Schuhfly: 8/26/2014 4:58:13 AM
                            I actually may have small bits and pieces to add onto this theory. 1. I noticed lots of people complaining about AI fighting mechanics in the beta and how both races (Hive and Fallen) seemed to act way to similar. Coincidence, I think not. It didn't hit me till watching this and reading some comments that we have seen many videos of races in action before and after the beta. In all of these the Hive and Fallen use similar fighting strategy's/mechanics, whereas the Cabal just march in and hope to do some damage before they get shredded, and the Vex seem to do the same thing. So maybe just maybe the reasoning for the Hive's and Fallen's strategy's being so similar is merely because they are technically speaking the same. 2. I noticed that on the moon you don't really see Hive outside of their caves and and such, same thing goes for on earth they tend to stick very close to each other or what we might call a base. And with the Fallen it almost seems reversed I noticed that they still like to build bases into mountains or underground, but you see more Fallen out roaming the landscape's. but it's almost as if (this is if Killworthy's theory is true) the effects of turning into a hive reverses that order. Almost as if there behaviors change. Maybe out of fear, or well this is where things get really crazy. Do you remember In one of your past videos you stated that Fallen act like a pack of wolves. Well what if after maturing they just became a stronger pack, more trusting, smarter, and larger in numbers cause let's face it you never see just a few hive. Because this perfectly supports the two theories staton one that the Hive our just mutilated/infected Fallen, and two that the Fallen are in fact connected to the crazy overload of wolf connections in Destiny. Edit: Alright as promised before in this comment I was talking about AI behaviors and I said "The Cabal just march in and hope to do some damage before they get shredded, and the Vex (note) seem to do the same thing in a more organized fashion. Which leads me to believe that if the Hive and Fallen are connected maybe the Cabal and Vex are to. I remember hearing awhile back that the Cabal are the strongest military power in Destiny, and in order to have great military strength you must be very advanced maybe even electronically advanced. We also know of Cabal Psions which are much smaller than the average Cabal an are mechanics which seem to have magical powers to control things with their mind. (note: it would be hard for a bulky Cabal to build stuff). Anyway my theory is that maybe the Cabal decided to create the Vex a robot army since they were so, I don't know let's say advanced they decided to build an army to do their dirty work. Well then something very cliché happens and as we see in many movies the robots turn on their creators. This would explain why the Vex are so advanced, and why they despise the Cabal. The reason the Cabal are not as advanced is because when they built a robot army they started slacking a little not worried about needing any more militant power, and when the Vex turned on them the took a it all with them. Every last idea as of how to create another. It also explains why the two races fight alike, because the Vex were programmed to fight like the Cabal. Also maybe the Psions were praised in what would've been there golden age and are now the lowest "ranked" you could say Cabal because of the doom they brought upon the Cabal.

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                            • Will all find out soon YAAAAY

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                              • I reckon the hive where the first civilization to come into contact with the darkness. And rather then repel it they saw it as a god. Something to be worshipped. Over time they started to change and they saw this as ascending rather than the twisted dark magic it is. But after this they were told thay have to prove their worth. Prove to the darkness they were worthy if its magic. And they set there sites on earth....and the moon.

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                              • I don't know what that something is but I definitly think you're on to it.

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                              • Wait wut? I though the Hive were the same only less evolved?

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                              • Guys look wolf armor photos just go to destiny media look at renders and it's iron banner armor there is a wolf an than the wolf cloak killworthy found

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                              • Alright here it goes... Crota is either The Darkness or a high-ranking enforcer of some sort to The Darkness. While Crota may create the hive, the hive don't just come from thin air... they are created from Fallen and Cabal that have been corrupted and consumed by The Darkness, here their likenesses as well as the cooperation by the Fallen and Cabal. But what about the Vex? The Vex don't just come from the future, they come from a parallel timeline in the future where Humanity has already by consumed by darkness... because they are humanity consumed by darkness! OH -BLAM-! (We know the Vex are at least partly organic) They come back before the split in the timeline not to destroy us, but to thrust us into darkness. Why? Because why would The Darkness settle for just one reality? So now you have the Fallen and Cabal fighting the Hive and Vex because Darkness. And they want to destroy us because somehow they've figured out that we may become Vex.

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