1. The same can be said for supporters of no matchmaking 2. Just because it's called a raid does not make it a raid like a true MMO's raid. It will not require you to learn sometimes up to 15 abilities or more, rotations and dealing with up to 25 people, sometimes more, sometimes less. 3. Yeah, that's cool. I don't see how MM diminishes this though. 4. That's not up to you to decide if someone wants to try though, is it. If people want to subject themselves to matchmaking and the negative parts about it, than it's their own problem and time wasted. They will regardless of matchmaking. [quote]Raids with LFR reduced the difficulty and severely cuts any satisfaction from beating it.[/quote] Can you elaborate please? I'd like to know how that is exactly The rest of your reasons aren't affected by matchmaking and aren't worth responding to. You still reap all the benefits of joining up with a clan or making friends. I will respond to this though. [quote]Raids should not be for the casual, but for those with the desire and commitment to beat the game.[/quote] I got news for you, the game will be made up of 90% casual people. If your definition of casual is having a job and family etc. Also, just because you join a clan doesn't make you hardcore and privileged enough to be the only ones to play this content. There will be LOADS of people joining random groups on forums like this and places like reddit to tackle this content. It's not going to stop most people.