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Edited by Hylebos: 3/18/2014 11:24:43 PM
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Destiny's Design: Exotic Restrictions

[quote][b]WARNING:[/b] Game Design can be very situational. Proceed with Caution! [b]WARNING:[/b] I'm not a very succinct writer. Good luck making it to the end![/quote] [quote][b]Introduction:[/b][/quote]Since Destiny's official reveal in February, Bungie has been steadily drawing back the curtain on their brave new world. So far we've heard plenty about the big picture, but many of the critical details that flesh out the experience and demonstrate what sort of game Destiny is trying to become are still unknown. The tides are beginning to turn though thanks to information drops like the 14 page Destiny article in January's Issue of Game Informer. Not only was it chock full of new information and pictures, Game Informer also supplemented the article with [url=http://www.gameinformer.com/p/destiny.aspx]additional interviews[/url] throughout the month of December. Thanks to their spectacular job, we've come one step closer to understanding what sort of game Bungie is planning to create. I personally have been very excited about a lot the new information, and from what I've seen most people have reacted very positively to Game Informer's coverage. However, a few concerns were raised by the community over different pieces of information such as this excerpt from the Game Informer Article:[quote]"Gear is loosely gathered into four tiers: basic (white), common (green), superior (purple), and the coveted exotic items (gold). Characters can only wield one exotic weapon and one exotic armor piece, but you can carry as many as you like, and switch between them at your leisure."[/quote]Miller, Matt. "Destiny." Game Informer Jan. 2014: 59. Print. It's not wrong for people to be concerned or unexcited when new information is revealed, but in this particular instance I feel that Bungie's restrictions on Exotics is a very strong design choice that will ultimately make Destiny a more healthy and interesting game. Today I would like to justify and explain my perspective with the hopes that people can see where I'm coming from, and hopefully I might alleviate a few concerns. In my mind, there are three major benefits that result from Bungie's exotic restrictions: [quote][b]1) Exotic restrictions help to limit the power level of players.[/b][/quote]I should probably start off this section by saying that the Exotic class of equipment should represent the most powerful, interesting, and unusual gear that a Guardian can find while exploring the solar system. The abillities found on these pieces of equipment are the paint that will bring their epic story to life and inspire player to come back again and again in search of more. If the Exotics are not exciting, then I feel that Destiny will have failed to deliver on the experience that Bungie set out to create. However, Bungie needs to be able to control just how powerful an individual player can become or else Destiny will become very difficult to balance. This is important not only for the competitive modes, but the cooperative modes as well. What is the best way to limit the power of exotics while still allowing them to be unique and interesting? My biggest concern here is homogenization. The easiest way to balance the exotics would simply be to nerf each one of them to the point where no one exotic is too powerful when combined with the other possible exotics in the build. Such a solution would allow for players to wield a loadout made entirely out of exotics without breaking the game, but at that point a lot of what makes exotics so appealing will have been lost. Is that really worth the abillity to wield both Gjallarhorn and Red Death at the same time? Bungie's decision to limit players to one exotic weapon and one exotic armor piece seems like a better way of solving the problem. There is not as much need to homogenize the exotics to prevent imbalance when you only have to worry about any one armor piece being too strong with any one weapon. Sure, players won't be able to wield both Closing Time and Arcus Regime in the same loadout, but if each weapon is allowed to be stronger and more unique as a result of that sacrifice, won't that ultimately result in a more interesting game? [quote][b]2) Exotic restrictions increase the number and availability of builds.[/b][/quote]That statement might sound a little odd at first. How do you increase the number of builds by taking away options from players? It is certainly true that the total number of possible builds will mathematically decrease as a result of Bungie's restrictions on exotics, however, the number that we really care about as players is the total number of competitive builds. To demonstrate this with an example, there are currently 718 different kinds of Pokemon in the world. Some simple math shows us that there are just under a million trillion different possible pokemon parties, however, considering that players are going to use only the strongest and most-evolved pokemon in their parties, that number shrinks dramatically at the highest levels of competition. This phenomena is the result of strategic dominance: there's no reason to use a Charmander when you could use a Charizard. As it turns out, Pokemon aren't so different from the guns and armor that we'll find while playing Destiny. Since Exotics are supposed to represent the most powerful and interesting gear in Destiny's sandbox, strategic dominance tells us that players will want to equip as many exotics as they are allowed to. Therefore, Bungie's restrictions on exotics actually increases the number of competitive builds by forcing players to use superior tier equipment to supplement the two exotics they have chosen. Players on a budget also serve to benefit from Bungie's exotic restrictions. Exotics are likely to be one of the rarest drops in Destiny, and as a result they are also likely to be among the most expensive items traded between players. It would certainly suck if players had to acquire a full set of exotics to have a competitive build, which would require either a ton of Glimmer or a ton of grinding to get all the pieces you'd need. In comparison, Bungie's restrictions mean that the cost of acquiring a competitive build is much cheaper as any top build needs only two exotics instead of eight. In addition, the overall cost of the exotics should decrease as the demand for any particular exotic should be dispersed due to the increased variety of builds available. This isn't to say that exotics should be easy to acquire, they just shouldn't be asinine.

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  • Edited by Ghost 0f Dawn2: 1/7/2014 11:27:28 PM

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  • [quote]Players on a budget also serve to benefit from Bungie's exotic restrictions. Exotics are likely to be one of the rarest drops in Destiny, and as a result they are also likely to be among the most expensive items traded between players. It would certainly suck if players had to acquire a full set of exotics to have a competitive build, which would require either a ton of Glimmer or a ton of grinding to get all the pieces you'd need.[/quote]I had never thought of it, but this kind of reminds of me of the Rune system for League of Legends. All my friends keep telling me I need to buy them to bulk up my builds some, but I'm still trying to save up for a decent number of champs. Such a pain. You hit the nail on the head, by the way. Good read.

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    • Brilliant thread, Hylebos. This should definitely clear up some of the confusion. A question though: Those weapon abilities (sentry turret, health regeneration, etc.), are they confirmed?

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      • this makes my habit worth it, because every online game I've played, I only use normal armor, skill ftw!!!

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      • A good thread, Hylebos, but isn't it a little short? You barely filled filled two posts. But, uh, I too like the restrictions on exotics. If you could have as many as you wanted it would make all your other gear obsolete when you got when you got a full set, and I never like when that happens. Sometimes the lesser gear is cooler!

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        • I love the points you made, some of the reasons you named are reasons I've stopped playing borderlands 2, when it seems like everyone you play with has a full stack of legendary weapons the weapons themselves kind of lose their purpose.

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        • Really well put, especially the 2nd part there. It made me think about armor builds especially. Something I think that may have added to your discussion; however, is discussing the way Bungie has incorporated talent trees into the weapons and armor. Without this, all of the points you made are a bit ambiguous, even though those of us who follow the info do understand. Pointing out that since there are talent builds for a particular weapon or piece of armor is what will drive that creativity. Devoting time and resources to upgrade armor and weapons is what will create that impartiality to those pieces of gear. For instance, if I spent a month with a piece of armor because it gave me the ability to send out a handful of decoys as well as scattered radar, then it is more than just gear investment; it is play style investment. I spent a lot of time trying to get to that level so that my style of play (using decoys) was advanced. I'm sure you're following me. I really enjoyed the post, you certainly bring together the idea of creativity as it pertains to character builds. I also write, and currently for a newspaper, so I understand the desire to improve it in all aspects. Good piece!

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        • I agree Completely Hylebos. The thing your post reminds me of is Creative Writing. As a Fantasy writer I have learned it is far more important when creating a magic system to define what it can't do than what it can. This forces you to write creative fun solutions to problems that magic can't just "fix" Restrictions Breed Creativity.

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        • it sucks that we can only have one exotic equipped at a time

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        • I really think you summed up the (space)magic of Bungie's design for players. The restrictions force you to make choices, individualize players, and along side the rebalancing they've talked about doing post launch, prevent stagnation. This way there won't be "best builds". Also this returns a modicum of individual skill to the game. This isn't Borderlands where a full build of legendary gear grantees success. Fantastic.

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        • Agreed.

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        • What's the top right exotic gun in your pic

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          • the inability to wear more than one exotic weapon and armor is the primary reason my personal loot grind has ended. For some reason I feel compelled to grind gear upgrades but grinding ascendants isn't addicting at all. If we could wear more exotics I would prolly have hung in there longer. bungie should have just made the raid slightly harder than a strike and had matchmaking. Raiding is the only way you easily progress beyond full legendaries and the 2 exotics, but bungie made it annoyingly inefficient to do any raiding. Only a minority of the playerbase had done the raid and even less repeated it after that. bungie sucks at the raid game

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            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzopWRXK_r4

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            • The reason i stopped trying for exotics is because eventually they'll all get nerfed by complaining casuals. I'm not going to spend weeks on end just to get something that was cut back and just as good as an uncommon in crucible...

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            • Restrictions also breed tedium. Exotic armor is clearly restricted to limit light level without acquiring raid gear. That's fine. Exotic weapon restrictions are solely directed at PvP, in which are understandable to provide a small degree of balance. Those weapon restrictions, however, are completely unnecessary in PvE. All it does is require tedious juggling of weapons in your inventory as you encounter sections calling for a different strategy or play style. The kind of enemy you face often can change simply when moving from one area to another or section to another, requiring strategically swapping a special or heavy for a different elemental damage, not to mention long range vs close quarter with a primary. Depending on what's in your inventory at the time, and what you're using as exotics at the period of that transition, it makes you switch one weapon when you otherwise wouldn't have, losing ammo, and time, in the process. Two exotics are being used whether they're both equipped or not, the only thing the current design does is add a tedious, frustrating process that takes away from the game. There are no balance considerations that need to be made in PvE. Every exotic (that's not useless in PvE, as many are), excels at one thing but is mediocre at best in other respects, meaning it is not to be used in every situation. Basically, exotic weapon restrictions when it comes to PvE, are utterly useless and provide no advantage to the balance or quality of the game. EDIT: Moved from second post reply.

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