[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chubbz I liked this thread right up until we started discussing the canon legitimacy of Halo 3's [i]TV commercials[/i]. Seriously, I love Halo canon and will talk about just as much as any of you, but that just isn't necessary. [/quote]I'm sorry, this will be my final post:[quote][/quote]"Everything that Bungie has ever approved is canonical. But even then, certain things trump others. In order of canonical influence:"... Thank you for making it so simple. So with this hierarchy, please do tell me why THE ENTIRE DIORAMA IS NOW NON-CANON? It clearly says "certain things trump other", not everything that's below is non-canon, nor does it say that if more than a couple of errors are found the entire thing is discarded (which is what you're doing). [quote]How was New Mombasa reimagined to the point that it invalidated the events of Halo 2? Both games took place in different parts of the city. Aside from geographical oversight there is nothing to contradict the canon established in both games[/quote]It didn't, that's my point, that's why I used those examples. Now, apply that to [i]Believe[/i], what about the redesign of the area surrounding Voi, and the areas MC fought at which are depicted in the diorama break canon, in that case? And to be really clear, the city is completely redesigned ([url=http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq112/Citrus-limon/MombasaMap-1modded.jpg]3[/url], [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091125143739/halo/images/9/9a/Mombasa_View_From_Sky.jpg]ODST[/url]). What exactly are you arguing about? [quote]Like I said, you're going to bunk an assumption with an assumption? Yes you have come to a conclusion based on what evidence you can scrounge, but ultimately your conclusion is merely an assumption as there is still nothing definitive to prove the point you're trying to make. We'd be going around in circles here.[/quote]It is not an assumption, the referenses I've used are crystal clear, completely unambiguous. I'm arguing that humanity on Earth 2607-10 have buildt a [i]Museum of Humanity[/i] in which there is a diorama that commemorates peace, and that them doing so is canon. To be even clearer, again: the diorama consists of buildings, marines, covenant, etc, that are made as accurate as possible (from archive records). Marines have been interviewed and provided context for the situation, anecdotes, etc. [quote]represents something that did not occur in the plot of the Halo storyline[/quote]Yes it did. There was a battle between the Covenant and the UNSC in the Vio area, during the time the Master Chief stopped by at Earth. You have provided nothing that states otherwise. The ad campaign features marines that when interviewed recall what happened during the war. WHAT exactly is it that any of them says that makes this entire ad non-canon?! NO ONE knew what happened to the Chief, THEY, believed that he was dead. It is not an assumtion of mine that they did not know what happened to the Chief, one of the marines clearly state that his body never was found. So how did they depict him in the diorama? They were the ones that made an assumption of what happened to him. What else did they know? [b]NOTE: I have never said anything about the diorama being propaganda.[/b] [quote]Yes you can go about and argue from a meta standpoint a position of propaganda or senility on the parts of every human still alive and contributing to the "accuracy" of the diorama when compared to the knowledge of a character like Petra who was also on the ground during most of the fighting in Africa who had a far clearer understanding of what unfolded in relation to the events of Halo 3. But again, it's a weak position built upon the assumption that it was either propaganda or user error.[/quote]So when you can't argue aginst something, it's weak? The diorama itself exists within Halo as a universe, it IS a representation of what it looked like during the war. The museum, marines, and loggs ARE within the Halo universe, and they do not contradict Halo 3 (aside from some errors, probably due to production and communication and the redesign aspect). The 2010 reissue of Fisrt Strike is the only thing you've provided that with the hierarchy logic could thump these events, but it doesn't retcon anything these marines have said, it doesn't inform Humanity what happened to Chief, so why would it decanonize?[quote]What I am arguing is that all the errors in the entire ad campaign add up a to a picture where there is a lack of credibility to the production studio in representing an actual story in the Halo universe[/quote]Entirely subjective.[quote]Read this to better discern for yourself what is canon vs assuming it could be canon and thus be considered canon in arguments until otherwise stated which is what you're doing.[/quote]Yet you believe that you're capable of determining that because "there is a lack of credibility to the production studio in representing an actual story in the Halo universe", it is not canon, even though Staten clearly defines--on the link you provided--that "Everything that Bungie has ever approved is canonical"+hierarchy rules? [Edited on 10.10.2012 1:23 PM PDT]