[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 So let me get this straight. You're going to debunk an assumption...with another assumption?[/quote]If you read instead of skim, you'll understand the meaning of "if assumptions are to be made". In this case they aren't, cause I never said they should. I based my conclusion on the evidence I found. [quote]Here's the thing...The 117 Monument documentary is what breaks your personal theory of the Believe campaign (or more specifically the diorama itself) being canon based solely on what (you seem to be implying are senile) soldiers can recall. Within it the narrator describes the painstaking work that went into ensuring the accuracy of the battlefield going so far as to pull the records of the UNSC soldiers who participated in the battle as well as recovering records of the topographical data of the exact area where the depicted battle took place and where people, both Covenant and Humans, stood or fell during the pivotal moment the Chief turned the tide. [/quote]That is not what the narrator said. What he did say was that the topography, buildings, soldiers, Covenant, vehicles, etc, were created as accurate as possible. He did not say that the diorama depicted an actual situation; that the records--for example--showed that a marine was dragged away from this particular point by a Jackal, and a Hunter did this and that exactly here. They based the diorama on anecdotes which parallels would have been evident if you actually had watched the fly-through and read and watched the interviews. Drawing that conclusion, seeing the similarities between what the marines recalled and what was shown, is as much of an assumption that is acceptable to make, but even so, I won't rely on it. What I do rely on is that out of the information provided, nothing was significant enough to change the plot/story. I repeat: "ONI hardly knew what was happening in the heart of the action, since they're still investigating and cross-referencing." and may I add: fifty years after the event (still!). [quote]At the time the diorama site was set up online there were many other notes left on the diorama of soldier testimonies that didn't line up with canon such as a soldier dying at a certain spot, but being notable as a veteran of the Alpha Halo conflict despite Johnson being the only marine survivor of the conflict among others.[/quote] You might be correct on this, but since you don't provide any evidence of it, I will have to disregard this part. I've done my best to find every piece of the ad campaign and go though all information I could find as thoroughly as possible, but I have not seen such notes. [quote]There was quite a stir over many other details (such as all Chieftains wielding Fists of Rukt left and right and the fact all other Brutes were stalker class) in the forums back in the day.[/quote] You do realise that these are [i]production errors[/i] due to poor planing and bad communication? Is Halo 2 not canon cause ODST reimagined New Mombasa, is Landfall not canon cause Halo 3 took place during the night, is Cryptum not canon cause there only is place for seven holographic representations of the installations in the control room of the Ark, are none of the games canon just cause none of them represent the what effects of a plasma pistol are canonically? I can go on.. On top of that, none of the diorama discrepancies chance the meaning of the diorama, nor do they alter the plot. I despise redesigning, but I would go as far as to say that it breaks canon. Every Brute being of the Stalker class is the equivalent of a type-o, a bug, a misunderstanding, it doesn't break canon, probably due to some sort of limitation. [quote]Therein lies the problem. There is no setting featured in any of the Halo games that matches the diorama.[/quote]It is the exact same terain as the one on Tsavo Highway. There are even parts of the fallen space tether there (although in another scale). It is the same landscape as Landfall and High Grounds too, they just looks a bit different cause they're different media, the diorama is made out of, you know, plastic and cardboard or whatever.[quote]Furthermore, keep in mind that this is Halo 3. That's the key. This was back when there was a more clear cut manner in which to determine what was canon and what wasn't. Staten laid down the rules clearly that ad material was at the lowest tier as to what was considered canon. If a game were to show something that contradicted something shown in an ad then the game's canon overwrote what was depicted in an ad. Ergo, the event depicted in the diorama was not considered canon.[/quote]You have yet to provide evidence of something that directly states that it isn't canon. Details are details, there are tons of them that differ throughout the various work. And I doubt Staten or Bungie would discard an entire piece of work, they'd more likely adress certain individual flaws and change them (but that's just me speculating, so it's irrelevant). [quote][/quote]Again, sorry for the thread hijack..