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11/16/2012 11:32:21 PM
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So how did Storm hold out for 6 months? *spoilers*
The faction of Covies we fight in 4 is supposed to be more of a rag-tag group, right? So how did they have the resources to secure and keep Requiem for 6 months after the campaign? How did they even get inside? It's only supposed to open for Reclaimers, I thought.
And why did the UNSC take so long to get back? You'd think the resting place of the (now dead) last Forerunner would be a priority target.
Or am I overthinking it?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CBWade16 Where are you guys getting this much info from.[/quote] We make it up.
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Where are you guys getting this much info from.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ErranInfigo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.[/quote] It's shields were down, and I don't think that was an Archer missile either. The weapon used according to FuD's page on Halopedia was a Hyperion nuclear missile.[/quote] Did they have a source for that? It's the first I've heard of it.[/quote] Cortana. Says. It. In. Game.[/quote] [url=http://www.halopedia.org/Dawn_%28level%29]She. Just. Says. Missile. Dumbass.[/url][/quote] Actually, she specifies it as a Hyperion-class missile when you first open the blast shields and see the Covenant fleet outside the Dawn, before you get in the lift. Dumbass.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ErranInfigo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.[/quote] It's shields were down, and I don't think that was an Archer missile either. The weapon used according to FuD's page on Halopedia was a Hyperion nuclear missile.[/quote] Did they have a source for that? It's the first I've heard of it.[/quote] Cortana. Says. It. In. Game.[/quote] [url=http://www.halopedia.org/Dawn_%28level%29]She. Just. Says. Missile. Dumbass.[/url][/quote] It definitely says Hyperion somewhere, I think right before it cuts to the elevator sequence.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ErranInfigo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.[/quote] It's shields were down, and I don't think that was an Archer missile either. The weapon used according to FuD's page on Halopedia was a Hyperion nuclear missile.[/quote] Did they have a source for that? It's the first I've heard of it.[/quote] Cortana. Says. It. In. Game.[/quote] [url=http://www.halopedia.org/Dawn_%28level%29]She. Just. Says. Missile. Dumbass.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.[/quote] It's shields were down, and I don't think that was an Archer missile either. The weapon used according to FuD's page on Halopedia was a Hyperion nuclear missile.[/quote] Did they have a source for that? It's the first I've heard of it.[/quote] Cortana. Says. It. In. Game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Any Tom, Dick or Harry could have let him free.[/quote]Not Johnson. He's immune to deceit and always prepared. :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.[/quote] It's shields were down, and I don't think that was an Archer missile either. The weapon used according to FuD's page on Halopedia was a Hyperion nuclear missile.[/quote] Did they have a source for that? It's the first I've heard of it.
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I have no idea why, so you might just be overthinking it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Honestly it sounds like the UNSC LET the covenant have Reqiuem for sixth months for some reason.[/quote] UNSC chose to stay at Earth for 6 months before the Spartan Ops Campaign. In that time, I doubt Storm had much to contend with.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zarth111 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Drifter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 That seems like a gaping flaw in security.[/quote] It has been you know thousands of years- things do break.[/quote] forerunners design their technology to last. I doubt they would design the planet to break after it opened for the first time in 100,000 years. i mean, nearly everything else relating to forerunners is still running as if it were brand new.[/quote] Containment on some of the Halo rings failed, communications failed, etc, etc.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost The advent of the Chief gave them the opportunity to enter, just like how his button pushing woke the Didact. It's all Chief's fault![/quote] The Infinity was going to arrive sooner or later anyway and would have probably awoken the Didact iself, it found co-ordinates for Requiem. Mendicant Bias sent John there first because he's the best, was engineered for greatness 100,000 years ago and had the greatest chance of killing the Didact.[/quote] No, only the Chief could actually reawaken the Didact/open Requiem if the Librarian knows what she is talking about. Remember the Bestarium (spelling?), guys? Read it. See how the classify the Chief and a regular human differently. Chief was classified as the exclusive Reclaimer as far as I know.[/quote] Nope. Johnson and Miranda were called Reclaimers by 343 GS. Mendicant Bias referred to every human on Harvest as Reclaimers. And there are countless other instances in the series where people who aren't John have been called Reclaimer. Even in Halo 4. Cortana: It's the symbol for Reclaimer John: Humanity. Note that he doesn't say 'ooh, that's me!' Humanity are the Reclaimers. The two buttons which opened the Didact's Cryptum bore Reclaimer symbols on them. Any Tom, Dick or Harry could have let him free.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roraj 196 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roraj 196 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lime013 The Storm didn't seem to have much of a purpose in this game.[/quote] It added necessary variety; I certainly didn't want to be fighting just 3 enemy archetypes the whole game.[/quote]Who said that there would only be three enemy types if the Storm weren't there?[/quote] No one, I'm assuming. If there were more than 3 Promethean archetypes, why not include them in the game?[/quote]Because there were Storm aliens. :P[quote]Besides, the Covenant operate/play differently to the Prometheans, so whichever way you look at it, they added variety.[/quote]Before Reach we only fought Elites for one and a half out of four games. The trilogy's organic storyline defined what one could expect as an enemy e.i more than just Elites as the main enemy. During and after Halo 3, one of the main complaints people had about the campaign/story was that the Elites--the most exciting enemy to fight--no longer was the main enemy. Bungie had in many ways shot themselves in the foot by aiming the story towards a setting where they no longer were interested in wiping out humanity. (If anything, Bungie should have postponed the Great Schism towards the end of the trilogy). By this time the Elites had become synonymous with the main enemy in Halo as a franchise. That's one of the main reasons Reach was chosen as a setting for a new Halo game. But you already know that. What I'm trying to say is that many aren't convinced that including the Storm was relevant. One could just as well say that one missed the Flood or the Brutes too, only that such a statement wouldn't resonate with popular demand; which is the primery reason for why the Storm was introduced. Outside of their super simple premis of being on Requiem, they have no purpose. They could just as well be allies (which is what many thought they would be), and they could just as well have been left alone to stabilise their empire (or whatever it is they would have). I'm playing a bit of a devil's advocate here, but you get what I mean. There could just as well have been Sangheili Prometheans (I suggested Forerunner cloned Elites on this very forum half jokingly, years ago), or Promatheans that moved like them just for gameplay purposes. What do you think will happen once the Storm has been forced to settle? How would one be able to fight Elites then? [Edited on 11.18.2012 12:07 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chester Duncan Wrong. Glasslands says that the elite home world only had a hand full of ships and those were beating up to hell and back, yet we still in 4 that theres not a scratch on these ones.[/quote] Which suggests to me that this new Covenant cannot feasibly be a fringe group. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.[/quote] It's shields were down, and I don't think that was an Archer missile either. The weapon used according to FuD's page on Halopedia was a Hyperion nuclear missile. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam No, only the Chief could actually reawaken the Didact/open Requiem if the Librarian knows what she is talking about. Remember the Bestarium (spelling?), guys? Read it. See how the classify the Chief and a regular human differently. Chief was classified as the exclusive Reclaimer as far as I know.[/quote] He was classified as [i]a[/i] Reclaimer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost The advent of the Chief gave them the opportunity to enter, just like how his button pushing woke the Didact. It's all Chief's fault![/quote] The Infinity was going to arrive sooner or later anyway and would have probably awoken the Didact iself, it found co-ordinates for Requiem. Mendicant Bias sent John there first because he's the best, was engineered for greatness 100,000 years ago and had the greatest chance of killing the Didact.[/quote] No, only the Chief could actually reawaken the Didact/open Requiem if the Librarian knows what she is talking about. Remember the Bestarium (spelling?), guys? Read it. See how the classify the Chief and a regular human differently. Chief was classified as the exclusive Reclaimer as far as I know. [Edited on 11.18.2012 11:25 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roraj 196 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lime013 The Storm didn't seem to have much of a purpose in this game.[/quote] It added necessary variety; I certainly didn't want to be fighting just 3 enemy archetypes the whole game.[/quote]Who said that there would only be three enemy types if the Storm weren't there?[/quote] No one, I'm assuming. If there were more than 3 Promethean archetypes, why not include them in the game? Besides, the Covenant operate/play differently to the Prometheans, so whichever way you look at it, they added variety.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roraj 196 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lime013 The Storm didn't seem to have much of a purpose in this game.[/quote] It added necessary variety; I certainly didn't want to be fighting just 3 enemy archetypes the whole game.[/quote]Who said that there would only be three enemy types if the Storm weren't there?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lime013 The Storm didn't seem to have much of a purpose in this game.[/quote] It added necessary variety; I certainly didn't want to be fighting just 3 enemy archetypes the whole game. OT: Master Chief blitzed through the Covenant single handedly, the UNSC probably didn't consider them a serious threat. As for returning slowly, after Earth had just been attacked by a massive Forerunner ship, I doubt anyone wanted Infinity leaving too soon.
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The Storm didn't seem to have much of a purpose in this game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Yakov Sidorov You're over thinking. UNSC had to contend with the New Phoenix Incident, gather up more resources and possibly replace some of its Spartan contingent. Storm is supported by the Forerunner army, and Requiem was already open, it never closed. [/quote] oh yeah, like a 100.000 year old race can resuply food for Storm's Forces. Like 100.000 years ago when Requiem shut, the Forerunners thought: 'Hmmm, let's stock some supplies in case a rebellious army would discover this "planet". it never closed? haha i quote:' ...it remained sealed off for a hundred millennia since the end of the war.' [Edited on 11.18.2012 7:51 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost The advent of the Chief gave them the opportunity to enter, just like how his button pushing woke the Didact. It's all Chief's fault![/quote] The Infinity was going to arrive sooner or later anyway and would have probably awoken the Didact iself, it found co-ordinates for Requiem. Mendicant Bias sent John there first because he's the best, was engineered for greatness 100,000 years ago and had the greatest chance of killing the Didact.[/quote]Yeah, didn't the Didact lure the Infinity to Requiem? That's what I got from playing Forerunner. Still though, they would have encountered heavy resistance. I doubt they'd be able to reach the Crytum.[/quote] No, Infinity found coordinates on Installation 03 that led them to Requiem.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost The advent of the Chief gave them the opportunity to enter, just like how his button pushing woke the Didact. It's all Chief's fault![/quote] The Infinity was going to arrive sooner or later anyway and would have probably awoken the Didact iself, it found co-ordinates for Requiem. Mendicant Bias sent John there first because he's the best, was engineered for greatness 100,000 years ago and had the greatest chance of killing the Didact.[/quote]Yeah, didn't the Didact lure the Infinity to Requiem? That's what I got from playing Forerunner. Still though, they would have encountered heavy resistance. I doubt they'd be able to reach the Crytum.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chester Duncan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 The faction of Covies we fight in 4 is supposed to be more of a rag-tag group, right?[/quote] I'm not sure it was ever supposed to be, to be honest. Fans seemingly just made that up to avoid the fact that the conclusion and final setting established in the original trilogy, as well as the Arbiter's character arc and the work the player did therein, has been overturned and thrown in the garbage. They are far too large in terms of numbers, ships and resources; far too well equipped and organised, and experienced, and aggressive, to be some rag-tag faction that has broken away from the main body of ex-Covenant society. I all likelihood it is just the old Covenant reformed in near totality and back to business as usual in spite of everything to the contrary of that possibility.[/quote] Wrong. Glasslands says that the elite home world only had a hand full of ships and those were beating up to hell and back, yet we still in 4 that theres not a scratch on these ones.[/quote] Chief was able to take out a Covenant Cruiser with one Archer missile. Previously it's taken at least 3 MAC shots and hundreds of missiles to do such a thing. I doubt those ships are operating at peak capacity.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 The faction of Covies we fight in 4 is supposed to be more of a rag-tag group, right? So how did they have the resources to secure and keep Requiem for 6 months after the campaign? How did they even get inside? It's only supposed to open for Reclaimers, I thought. And why did the UNSC take so long to get back? You'd think the resting place of the (now dead) last Forerunner would be a priority target. Or am I overthinking it?[/quote] It seems like they held it because no one was sent to fight for it. And Didact became friendly with the Storm so im guessing he made it so the stuff in Requiem can interact with the Storm. And it took that long because humans got wrecked in the last war.... i dont think they have the resources to put up a good fight that quick.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I prefer using Storm to Covenant even if the former is a fan-coined name based on misunderstanding, because it distinguishes the new order from that run by the San 'Shyuum. Same way people call R'tas 'half jaw.' It's just for clarity's sake, and [b]if everyone knows what you mean I hardly think it matters.[/b][/quote]Well, the thing is that "Storm is a small/medium-sized splinter faction", as opposed to being a "real" successor to the old Covenant seems to be pretty widespread thing. [Edited on 11.17.2012 1:42 PM PST]
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I prefer using Storm to Covenant even if the former is a fan-coined name based on misunderstanding, because it distinguishes the new order from that run by the San 'Shyuum. Same way people call R'tas 'half jaw.' It's just for clarity's sake, and if everyone knows what you mean I hardly think it matters.
