Yeah, but these are original Forerunner Huragok we're talking about.

Wut? Can someone supply me with a link, I'd like to see this for myself.

Didn't First Strike say the reason small vessels don't have slipspace drives is because all the radiation given off will fry anyone not hiding behind a foot of solid titanium? I know that when they drop out of slipspace in a Covenant dropship, the dropship is nearly torn apart even after they wedge metal supports into every corner.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Didn't First Strike say the reason small vessels don't have slipspace drives is because all the radiation given off will fry anyone not hiding behind a foot of solid titanium? I know that when they drop out of slipspace in a Covenant dropship, the dropship is nearly torn apart even after they wedge metal supports into every corner. [/quote] Yep. Gotta LOOOOOOVE retcons.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Didn't First Strike say the reason small vessels don't have slipspace drives is because all the radiation given off will fry anyone not hiding behind a foot of solid titanium? I know that when they drop out of slipspace in a Covenant dropship, the dropship is nearly torn apart even after they wedge metal supports into every corner. [/quote] Yep. Gotta LOOOOOOVE retcons.[/quote] This isn't a retcon, it's a Forerunner Huragok installing a slip drive onto it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Didn't First Strike say the reason small vessels don't have slipspace drives is because all the radiation given off will fry anyone not hiding behind a foot of solid titanium? I know that when they drop out of slipspace in a Covenant dropship, the dropship is nearly torn apart even after they wedge metal supports into every corner. [/quote] Yep. Gotta LOOOOOOVE retcons.[/quote] This isn't a retcon, it's a Forerunner Huragok installing a slip drive onto it.[/quote] The builder does not change how the universe works. Unless it is said that an engineer can stop the massive radiation emissions, I'm not buying it.

So building rings that nuke the galaxy in minutes is fine, but building a slipspace drive that doesn't give off radiation ins't?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Didn't First Strike say the reason small vessels don't have slipspace drives is because all the radiation given off will fry anyone not hiding behind a foot of solid titanium? I know that when they drop out of slipspace in a Covenant dropship, the dropship is nearly torn apart even after they wedge metal supports into every corner. [/quote] Yep. Gotta LOOOOOOVE retcons.[/quote] This isn't a retcon, it's a Forerunner Huragok installing a slip drive onto it.[/quote] The builder does not change how the universe works. Unless it is said that an engineer can stop the massive radiation emissions, I'm not buying it.[/quote] They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari So building rings that nuke the galaxy in minutes is fine, but building a slipspace drive that doesn't give off radiation ins't?[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper. [/quote] Smaller craft = less energy needed to propel it. The [i]Savannah's[/i] drive fit inside a Pelican in Reach, so it's not like it'd be hard for an Engie to make it smaller.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper. [/quote] Smaller craft = less energy needed to propel it. The [i]Savannah's[/i] drive fit inside a Pelican in Reach, so it's not like it'd be hard for an Engie to make it smaller. [/quote]Also acording to Ghost of onxy smaler objects could travel faster in slipspace.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper. [/quote] Smaller craft = less energy needed to propel it. The [i]Savannah's[/i] drive fit inside a Pelican in Reach, so it's not like it'd be hard for an Engie to make it smaller. [/quote] Missing the point. Slipspace is characterized by huge amounts of deadly radiation. It's not the DRIVE that creates it, is's Slipspace it's self. Hence why when a UNSC ship leaves it huge amounts of gamma radiation and blown through the spectrum. The only reason that the dropship on in First Strike didn't fry was the few seconds of slipspace they experienced instead of hours, and the few cubic tons of lead they welded inside. Forerunner drive or not, the very essence of slipspace would render a small craft moot, the pilot would be crispy charred after an hour.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper. [/quote] Smaller craft = less energy needed to propel it. The [i]Savannah's[/i] drive fit inside a Pelican in Reach, so it's not like it'd be hard for an Engie to make it smaller. [/quote] Missing the point. Slipspace is characterized by huge amounts of deadly radiation. It's not the DRIVE that creates it, is's Slipspace it's self. Hence why when a UNSC ship leaves it huge amounts of gamma radiation and blown through the spectrum. The only reason that the dropship on in First Strike didn't fry was the few seconds of slipspace they experienced instead of hours, and the few cubic tons of lead they welded inside. Forerunner drive or not, the very essence of slipspace would render a small craft moot, the pilot would be crispy charred after an hour. [/quote] You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.

Or you could, you know, make an Alcubierre drive, but that's real physics and is best to be avoided. Am I right?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXIHAYD0IXx Or you could, you know, make an Alcubierre drive, but that's real physics and is best to be avoided. Am I right?[/quote] There is no such thing as real physics when it comes to FTL, just very thought out theories.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.[/quote] This, people think unsc stuff works like that so that mean forerunner stuff must work like that. This is from a race that makes -blam!- planets, it's smallest ship is called a planet breaker and have slipspace bubbles that make the inside bigger then the outside. And you people think they can't find away around gamma rays when they rip space open??? [Edited on 10.06.2012 5:07 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.[/quote] This, people think unsc stuff works like that so that mean forerunner stuff must work like that. This is from a race that makes -blam!- planets, it's smallest ship is called a planet breaker [b]and have slipspace bubbles that make the inside bigger then the outside[/b]. And you people think they can't find away around gamma rays when they rip space open???[/quote] Are you saying the Forerunners essentially made TARDIS's?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.[/quote] This, people think unsc stuff works like that so that mean forerunner stuff must work like that. This is from a race that makes -blam!- planets, it's smallest ship is called a planet breaker [b]and have slipspace bubbles that make the inside bigger then the outside[/b]. And you people think they can't find away around gamma rays when they rip space open???[/quote] Are you saying the Forerunners essentially made TARDIS's? [/quote] Doctor who is didact.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.[/quote]This, people think unsc stuff works like that so that mean forerunner stuff must work like that. This is from a race that makes -blam!- planets, it's smallest ship is called a planet breaker [b]and have slipspace bubbles that make the inside bigger then the outside[/b]. And you people think they can't find away around gamma rays when they rip space open???[/quote] Are you saying the Forerunners essentially made TARDIS's? [/quote]Doctor who is didact.[/quote]-blam!- just got real.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper. [/quote] Smaller craft = less energy needed to propel it. The [i]Savannah's[/i] drive fit inside a Pelican in Reach, so it's not like it'd be hard for an Engie to make it smaller. [/quote] Missing the point. Slipspace is characterized by huge amounts of deadly radiation. It's not the DRIVE that creates it, is's Slipspace it's self. Hence why when a UNSC ship leaves it huge amounts of gamma radiation and blown through the spectrum. The only reason that the dropship on in First Strike didn't fry was the few seconds of slipspace they experienced instead of hours, and the few cubic tons of lead they welded inside. Forerunner drive or not, the very essence of slipspace would render a small craft moot, the pilot would be crispy charred after an hour. [/quote] You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.[/quote] Except slipspace is slipspace. That's like saying a BMW engine is different from a Mercades engine because it manipulates the air around the car. It doesn't, they both use the same process. Slipspace as loads of Chernov and Gamma radiation that will nuke your insides. The UNSC has been able to detect Covenant ships exiting slipspace through the war because of the radiation a transition creates. It doesn't matter how a ship is propelled, the radiation is still there. Forerunner ships were MASSIVE, so it's obvious they'd have ablative coatings able to absorb radiation.

[url=http://www.npl.washington.edu/av/altvw81.html]O rly?[/url] If what you mean is that such a device has never been created, you are right. But the physics behind it is pretty solid. Or read [url=http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936_2011016932.pdf]this[/url] slightly more recent article. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXIHAYD0IXx Or you could, you know, make an Alcubierre drive, but that's real physics and is best to be avoided. Am I right?[/quote] There is no such thing as real physics when it comes to FTL, just very thought out theories.[/quote]

[quote]puddle jumper[/quote] Stargate Atlantis reference?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They're using Forerunner technology to build a Foreruner slip drive with a team of Forerunner Huragok. If any faction in the universe could build the tech to make a drop ship FTL compatible, I think it would be the Forerunners.[/quote] Completely fair point, but I still think it is an unneeded addition. The Tart-Cart may have a slipspace drive, but it can't really be anything other than a puddle jumper. [/quote] Smaller craft = less energy needed to propel it. The [i]Savannah's[/i] drive fit inside a Pelican in Reach, so it's not like it'd be hard for an Engie to make it smaller. [/quote] Missing the point. Slipspace is characterized by huge amounts of deadly radiation. It's not the DRIVE that creates it, is's Slipspace it's self. Hence why when a UNSC ship leaves it huge amounts of gamma radiation and blown through the spectrum. The only reason that the dropship on in First Strike didn't fry was the few seconds of slipspace they experienced instead of hours, and the few cubic tons of lead they welded inside. Forerunner drive or not, the very essence of slipspace would render a small craft moot, the pilot would be crispy charred after an hour. [/quote] You're missing the point. That's how [i]UNSC[/i] drives work, or rather don't. It's pretty obvious to me that Forerunner drives--or, how they manipulate slipspace to make it safer--have gotten around this problem, since they clearly don't have it.[/quote] Except slipspace is slipspace. That's like saying a BMW engine is different from a Mercades engine because it manipulates the air around the car. It doesn't, they both use the same process. Slipspace as loads of Chernov and Gamma radiation that will nuke your insides. The UNSC has been able to detect Covenant ships exiting slipspace through the war because of the radiation a transition creates. It doesn't matter how a ship is propelled, the radiation is still there. Forerunner ships were MASSIVE, so it's obvious they'd have ablative coatings able to absorb radiation. [/quote] When you can give me details on the physics of a Forerunner slip drive, a UNSC drive, and how the physics of the alternate reality work to begin with, I'll concede to your point; comparing an eldritch location like slipspace dimension to air makes no sense. We can't know anything more than what is given to us, and what is given to us is that the UNSC's drives are brute force, unstable, highly dangerous and inaccurate. Forerunner drives are extremely safe, reliable, and precision accurate, as well as millions of years ahead of us. Forerunners have slip drives that have gotten around the radiation problem. I know this how? Because that is the only information that has been presented us. It doesn't contradict anything because we don't know anything about how Forerunner slip drives work, so there is nothing to contradict.

Slipspace bubbles.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoRaMo [quote]puddle jumper[/quote] Stargate Atlantis reference? [/quote] Accidental. Never watched SGA.