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8/9/2012 11:38:28 PM
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I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.

I don't like you, I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.  The subject matter within this thread must be handled very delicately, as I do not wish to encourage hateful and cruel behavior towards others. Now that this has been stated, I shall continue with illustrating my point and opening this thread to discussion and debate.  The rules here state very simply:  [b]Play nice.[/b] Insulting someone directly, attacking them or attempting to belittle an individual are not only against the rules, but avoiding these actions should be a part of every persons moral code.  Yet here I stand, an individual who despises stupidity. Not graceful ignorance, but stupidity. And when I just so happen to come across blatant stupidity that goes unchecked, I feel an unyielding obligation to publicly announce what it is they have said is stupid, and why it is they are an idiot for having said it. And I hope to God, someone would show me the same courtesy, as I would rather stand corrected than to look like a fool who refuses to educate himself for future instances. Now here is where things get a tricky as I will try to justify why a certain level of cruelty or harshness is sometimes necessary when correcting or educating someone, especially online. But let's clear a few things up first... If someone is simply making a thread to ask a question, then the best course of action is to of course, kindly assist the person.  If someone states something to which they admit they are unsure if it is factual, and you know the truth, kindly clarify for them.  If a person wishes to debate, the obvious social rule is to attack their arguments, not the individual themselves.  I'm sure you see a pattern developing here for when it would be inappropriate to use a harsh correctional tone, or even a cynically sarcastic comment remarking on a persons level of intelligence.  It's appropriate for me to more thoroughly explain the way in which I mean "a harsh correctional response". By this, I mean you identify a persons level of idiocy, and as such you remark to them your observation, followed by an advisement to better educate themselves in the future. Though you may be asking, "Why is that necessary? Why not simply tell them they are wrong?" I'll tell you why, because simply telling someone they are wrong does not cut it. It is not enough. This applies to both  inaccurate statements, as well as stupid and or pointless remarks. Especially when the person is aware that their comment may be inaccurate and or pointless (spam if you would prefer since some would deem my measurement of pointless comments subjective).  The difference between ignorance and  stupidity is clearly distinguished by a personas attitude.  If one is gracefully if igonorant, I imply that they do not know, or make a mistake with no attempts at mischief, or to be funny, or to try and sound intelligent and as such argue even though what they argue is false. Or an opinion that they like to presen as facts. All of these situations are situations in which I believe a little extra "tough-love" is necessary. After all, it is a reasonable assumption to make that people who behave in this manner are people who have been allowed to always say what they want to say when they want to say it, regardless if it is wrong, rude or flat-dumb. They origin of their stupidity is derived from unchecked behavior which allows for immaturity and stupidity to breed within their minds. At which point, a kind correction to this person will not be sufficient since they will have not experienced firm correction, and as such will likely ignore you, laugh or continue on with their idiotic ways.  BUT! Point out not only their faults, but why it makes them seem stupid, and they may take a step back to analyze their behavior.  And so in saying this, let us refer to a few examples where use of my technique would be "appropriate", as well I will illustrate some example responses.  If someone creates a thread simply for the purpose of stating why their day sucked, an appropriate response may be, [quote]This thread is pointless, and provides no discussion value. It is ridiculous and childish to believe that you can just leave your blog here for the sake of having your voice heard, without actually wanting to engage in a discussion on a public forum.[/quote] Now in the case of someone spreading misinformation, one would typically state the correction in a kind manner. But if the persons ignorance evolves into blatant stupidity, advise them of said evolution, [quote]"Hey everyone, my friend told me 343 actually made Halo: Reach, and Bungie is making halo after Halo 6!" "No they're not" "Yes they are idiot, my friend knows one of the guys a Bungie and he said its all true!" "Okay, well firstly let me point out how stupid you sound. Secondly let clearly observe how big of an idiot you're making yourself look. Either you or your friend are behaving in a dumb manner by failing to check your facts. A simply google search would have provided you with answers yet here you are allowing gullible minds to soak up all the garbage you spew so they can go somewhere else and spread the same garbage misinformation. Next time you try and post facts, try pulling your head out of your ass first, you'd be doing yourself a huge favor."[/quote]  At this point you can report the thread and move on. You've done your duty here, and hopefully the person will be so shocked and taken back by your cruel remarks, they will wish to avoid the same embarrassment again, and hopefully next time they'll avoid painting themselves in such a terrible light. Now to discuss a very, VERY common occurrence that plagues nearly every Internet forum and real life debates as well. The misstating of opinion as fact. A vast majority of individuals who are both ignorant and stubborn typically posses clouded minds. They cannot see beyond their own little world. So, when they are ever so passionate about a topic, they are [i]always[/i] right. ALWAYS. Right? Haha, you guessed it. Nope! When this instance occurs, these individuals are often told, "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man..." And nothing changes. But whether this works or not, knowing you've given it the response it needs, may one day help open that persons sadly confused mind, [quote]Hey, it's great to hear you state your opinion as fact, but if you think you can spoon-feed us that crap you claim to be fact, when really its your opinion, you have another thing coming. Do you realize how truly idiotic and ridiculous you look, trying to, and insisting upon having people take your opinionated word as FACT? No obviously not, since if you did, you wouldn't have wasted all that time spewing crap from your mouth. Know the distinction next time, to save yourself from looking like an idiot.[/quote] These are just some of the different places I've found myself before, and thought to myself, "Has no one ever clearly advised these people how dumb that sounds without sugar-coating it as to not to hurt their feelings?". The goal is not to hurt their feelings. The goal is to take a correction that might otherwise big ignored, add a bit of spice to it, and toss it in their eyes. Maybe then they'll see how silly or idiot their pointless thread, or stupid comment, or arrogant argument might be.  So Community, are these methods too bold and cruel? Or should the practice be carefully utilized as to hopefully help bring about change within some people who would otherwise continue being the centre of their little world, spewing their stupid and idiotic nonsense? NOTE: I am not condoning or advertising that you attempt these methods. [Edited on 08.09.2012 3:40 PM PDT]

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  • If I see factual misinformation being posted on a topic I'm fine with posting the correct info, but I have never viewed it as my role to expose the ignorant of ignorance. Idiots are idiots, I can't change that and trying to isn't what I like to spend my time doing. ~Hawk

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  • That's for them to decide. They are going to see how they behave, and it's up to them whether or not to behave similarly. You seem to be under the impression that voicing your opinion publicly is actually going to alter someone's mindset and encourage them to act more appropriately, or what you deem appropriate. People are very capable of making their own decisions. Leave it up to them. Move on with your life. You're stressing yourself out for no reason. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 Mainly for the discouragement of future copycats and lookalikes or current twins who would see fit to do the same as the hypothetical OP from doing the same as the hypothetical OP. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] a rascal cat I asked the same of Helveck, and I'll ask the same of you. What about posting publicly and announcing to the entire community that you dislike something about the person (or, rather, how they are posting) do you see as necessary? Does not sending them a private message accomplish the same thing? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [/quote][/quote][/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] defnop552 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55[/quote]You either didn't get what I was saying or you chose to ignore it. [/quote]I get what you're saying, and I'm saying that no meaning past any literal one should be taken out of any given indication of your ideas being stupid. If someone says your idea is stupid, take it at face value and understand that they think your ideas are stupid, and you are not. Your point was that the statement "your idea is stupid" can be ambiguous and mean more than one thing. My point is that people shouldn't look at it like that, and if they do they should stop taking things so personally.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dmg04 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 I know it was a poor choice of words when I kept saying "rest of the community". What I really meant was "other members of the community". I certainly wasn't saying that it's always black and white with who is for/against "stupid" ideas. My apologies.[/quote]But at the same time, who are those people to say that they know the absolute right in whatever situation we're talking about? If the members of the community all happen to be moderators, then that works. If it's just a bunch of random members saying 'you're stupid and you should feel bad because it's common knowledge not to post x thread in x forum because x% of members won't agree with your opinion on x', then that's just ridiculous. [/quote]Getting to you in a bit, first I have to play Civilization. Check back in an hour. -spot reserved-

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55[/quote]You either didn't get what I was saying or you chose to ignore it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] defnop552 That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read*. Now, what have I just called stupid. The words that have been put together or the person who put those words together?[/quote]Literally, you called what I said stupid. My idea was stupid. Smart people come up with stupid ideas all the time. If I were to tell somebody that they're stupid, and had the foresight required, I would make sure to let them know that I am calling their idea stupid. Though there is a point when the spew of stupidity out of someone's cranium becomes so constant and consistent that they themselves can be stupid, that is not what we're discussing. [quote] Here's a better example: [url=http://weyume.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/121.jpg]This is a a stupid invention[/url]. Am I calling the chair stupid or am I calling the inventor stupid?[/quote] [Subject] [linking verb] [article] [adjective] [predicate noun] Linking verb means that the subject is whatever is the predicate noun or adjective. This sentence tells me that "This" "is" "a" singular invention. The adjective tells me what kind of invention, a stupid one. You said nothing about the inventor. Like I said, smart people can say, do, create, and think stupid things.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helveck I don't like you, I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.[/quote]Helveck please marry me. [quote]The rules here state very simply:  [b]Play nice.[/b] Insulting someone directly, attacking them or attempting to belittle an individual are not only against the rules, but avoiding these actions should be a part of every persons moral code. [/quote]While I like your thread as a whole, this "should" business is very upsetting. It is my personal belief that acting horrible to one another will bring out the best and worst in people. [quote]I'll tell you why, because simply telling someone they are wrong does not cut it. It is not enough. This applies to both  inaccurate statements, as well as stupid and or pointless remarks. Especially when the person is aware that their comment may be inaccurate and or pointless (spam if you would prefer since some would deem my measurement of pointless comments subjective).[/quote]I do not feel the same way. People who are truly ignorant cannot be reach through insult or calm explanation. Whether you wish to address it or not, those who commonly post fallacies and wrongs in the forums have not changed their ways, but rather expanded their fallacious logic into justifying ignorance. Why is it do you think that users like Foman or daza keep posting the same fallacious and illogical nonsense? They ignore it when their idiotic mistakes are turned on them, and just continue to post in the same manner. Idiocy has its own means of defending itself. [quote]So Community, are these methods too bold and cruel? Or should the practice be carefully utilized as to hopefully help bring about change within some people who would otherwise continue being the centre of their little world, spewing their stupid and idiotic nonsense?[/quote]I do not think morality should be considered for it only truly applies to the rules. In terms of discussion, only truth reigns above all else. You should post what is true, and be humble if you overstep your bounds of knowledge. If you wish to post aggressively, as I do for fun, you can freely do so. While it may alter the reception of information, it will not always resound no matter what format the argument is presented in. So insult if you wish, what truly will determine the effects with be the user and their attitude towards alternative perceptions. There is one thing that you must always remember. What we have here are not debates to determine policies, but simply discussions. You cannot win a discussion, and in the end, there is no correct or incorrect.

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  • Mainly for the discouragement of future copycats and lookalikes or current twins who would see fit to do the same as the hypothetical OP from doing the same as the hypothetical OP. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] a rascal cat I asked the same of Helveck, and I'll ask the same of you. What about posting publicly and announcing to the entire community that you dislike something about the person (or, rather, how they are posting) do you see as necessary? Does not sending them a private message accomplish the same thing? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [/quote][/quote]

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  • I tried to read everything but I couldn't it was too hard. But I think a lot of that stuff that I did read sounds too mean like I wouldn't say that to my momma if she was telling me something i knew was wrong

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  • "[b]Stupid[/b]: [i]Lacking intelligence or common sense.[/i]" [quote][/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 It's the "don't hate the sinner, hate their sin" mentality, but applied a little more realistically.[/quote]That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read*. Now, what have I just called stupid. The words that have been put together or the person who put those words together? Here's a better example: [url=http://weyume.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/121.jpg]This is a a stupid invention[/url]. Am I calling the chair stupid or am I calling the inventor stupid? *It's not really. I understand what you're saying, I'm just trying to make a point. :-) [Edited on 08.09.2012 6:18 PM PDT]

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  • Everyone's opinion counts, but sometimes it is best to keep your opinion to yourself. I do not believe anyone should pride themselves on singling out a particular member and criticizing their posting behavior, publicly or privately; but, if you must do it, please try and take your problems to the handy dandy private messaging system that Bungie has so graciously blessed us with. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dmg04 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 I know it was a poor choice of words when I kept saying "rest of the community". What I really meant was "other members of the community". I certainly wasn't saying that it's always black and white with who is for/against "stupid" ideas. My apologies.[/quote]But at the same time, who are those people to say that they know the absolute right in whatever situation we're talking about? If the members of the community all happen to be moderators, then that works. If it's just a bunch of random members saying 'you're stupid and you should feel bad because it's common knowledge not to post x thread in x forum because x% of members won't agree with your opinion on x', then that's just ridiculous. [/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 I know it was a poor choice of words when I kept saying "rest of the community". What I really meant was "other members of the community". I certainly wasn't saying that it's always black and white with who is for/against "stupid" ideas. My apologies.[/quote]But at the same time, who are those people to say that they know the absolute right in whatever situation we're talking about? If the members of the community all happen to be moderators, then that works. If it's just a bunch of random members saying 'you're stupid and you should feel bad because it's common knowledge not to post x thread in x forum because x% of members won't agree with your opinion on x', then that's just ridiculous.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 I wouldn't try and bring up semantics on here. People are always rude to others they don't like and will make sure the OP of the thread and everyone is aware of it. If the mods really banned all the people from the tongue and cheek stupidity people pull. 75% of the septagon would be banned. (Though some people need it). It is easy to say be kind but the fact is some people here are real jerks and will never learn. [/quote]Because banning solves everything right? [/quote] No I would prefer if people didn't get banned but I also want to make sure people who are out of line are dealt with. When people act like jerks to others, it lowers the quality of the forums for everyone. When you ban or warn someone, you are teaching them that the behavior is not acceptable. It is just like if a little kid keeps taking cookies out of a cookie jar after you told him to stop. If you make him go to "time out" for a bit, they learn that their actions do have consequences. Ignoring it or not really enforcing it tells the little kid that the authority figures are "push overs" and they feel they can continue to do what they want not fearing any consequences. This leads to more issues down the road and it makes the user turn into a bitter, rude person. But, sadly, there are some people who may not have any place on Bungie.net because they simply just want to be a jerk and break rules. After a certain period of time you just have to say enough is enough. [/quote]There are a lot of people here who don't come to better their people skills and there are a heck of a lot of people who don't learn from their bans. The way I see it, having a feature that lets me collapse posts of jerks without needing to report them is a valuable asset. Leave's moderators free to deal with more severe misconduct.

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  • I asked the same of Helveck, and I'll ask the same of you. What about posting publicly and announcing to the entire community that you dislike something about the person (or, rather, how they are posting) do you see as necessary? Does not sending them a private message accomplish the same thing? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] defnop552 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 It's the difference between picking putting your kid in their room, and putting them there and then telling them to clean it.[/quote]If your kid keeps messing their room do you call them a stupid idiot? (Hopefully) You don't. You tell them in a calm and respectful manner that they need to keep their room clean. Same outcome, different method. I was supposed to point this out to someone else but I can't find the post. So you'll have to do, Crazy. <3[/quote]I'm not saying that you should call people stupid idiot poopy heads because you don't like their ideas/posting style. I'm saying that you should call their ideas/posting styles themselves stupid or idiotic if you deem them so. It's the "don't hate the sinner, hate their sin" mentality, but applied a little more realistically.[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] defnop552 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 It's the difference between picking putting your kid in their room, and putting them there and then telling them to clean it.[/quote]If your kid keeps messing their room do you call them a stupid idiot? (Hopefully) You don't. You tell them in a calm and respectful manner that they need to keep their room clean. Same outcome, different method. I was supposed to point this out to someone else but I can't find the post. So you'll have to do, Crazy. <3[/quote]I'm not saying that you should call people stupid idiot poopy heads because you don't like their ideas/posting style. I'm saying that you should call their ideas/posting styles themselves stupid or idiotic if you deem them so. It's the "don't hate the sinner, hate their sin" mentality, but applied a little more realistically.

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  • Ignorance is bliss. I wouldn't go as far to say that you should become sheltered. But. I do believe that people should learn to avoid things that annoy them. If you find yourself periodically getting upset over a users behavior simply avoid their posts and when you find yourself reading something they have posted quickly turn away and move on. Act as if nothing happened. You'll soon find yourself sifting through threads and unconsciously ignoring that particular users post, because you have developed a knack for ignoring things, rather than a knack for allowing yourself to be drawn in by the temptation of pointing out each and every thing that that person did wrong. Because I believe that is what truly draws you in. Subconsciously, in the back of your mind somewhere, you have grown so attached to the idea that it is, perhaps, necessary to point out peoples mistakes; so you allow yourself to be drawn in by the temptation, as stated previously, and that is where you are, shall I say, fault? Move on, my friend. Get yourself out of this mindset that it is, as I said before, perhaps, necessary to call someone out for something they did. Because it's not. It's [b]not[/b] necessary. If you must do, why not simply send them a private message? Or is there something about making your distaste public knowledge that keeps you from taking the civilized route? My words are not meant to offend, but to simply implant the philosophy into your head that retaliation is not necessary.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dmg04 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x No need to rehash the arguments in favor of ignoring bad posts rather than replying with "you're an idiot." All of your analogies have been about inapplicable and irrelevant IRL situations, and in the one applicable analogy you made -- the analogy of a person trolling an MLP forum -- you yourself admitted that trolling would result in being "shunned and rejected" by that community's members. Exactly the kind of action that I am advocating.[/quote]If you ignore people, they can have a bunch of different conclusions that they can come to in their head. If you tell somebody that their post was stupid, and that the reasons it was stupid were [b]x[/b], [b]y[/b], and [b]z[/b], then they know exactly what you think and how they're being received by the rest of the community. It's the difference between picking putting your kid in their room, and putting them there and then telling them to clean it.[/quote]But who said the entire community is going to agree with your opinion? You can tell me that i'm ugly, stupid, and useless... but my super hott famous girlfriend from europe would tell me that i'm smart, handsome, and extremely useful. (her name is Ra1nb0wDash55)[/quote]I know it was a poor choice of words when I kept saying "rest of the community". What I really meant was "other members of the community". I certainly wasn't saying that it's always black and white with who is for/against "stupid" ideas. My apologies.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] True Underdog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 ]You're never going to get a situation in which everyone is smart enough to ignore a stupid thread. And if 45 of the 51 posts in your brand spankin' new hot-topic thread are telling you that your ideas, posts, and thread(s) are stupid, incoherent, and/or nonsense, and you aren't even a little motivated to change your ways then you're clearly a troll who gets off on seeing people dislike you and you're an unsalvagably lost cause. (And I do not think anyone on this forum to be that.)[/quote] You're actually more likely to get that person to lash out against you and (as Fo has already mentioned in this thread) get two or more people arguing. Nobody wins in that scenario.[/quote] It doesn't matter if that person lashes out at you; that's their problem if they begin to take it to any sort of personal level with ad hominem, etc. What does matter is that they now know what people think of their tread, post, or idea and that everyone else does too so that other members who may be prone to following in the footsteps of this member if they don't see any direct backlash don't also fall into the same pattern displayed by whoever the OP is (that pattern being posting stupid, nonsense threads/ideas). It discourages people from doing the same sort of thing, which is why a PM is also not the best action to resort to. Nobody likes being told their ideas are stupid*, so people who see that posting threads/ideas of type [b]x[/b] are likely to get them called stupid because the community thinks they're stupid (usually because they are), then they're not very likely to post ideas or threads of that nature, thus discouraging future misbehavioralisms. *I know I'm going to get some sort of comeback talking about how this means "oh you shouldn't bully people then if nobody likes it and you admit it" or "follow the golden rule; treat people how you want to be treated". I'd just like to address this right away and say that telling somebody that their idea is (in your opinion) stupid and why it is stupid is not bullying, it's stating a belief. Sure, you could beat around the bush and use more PC terms than stupid or idiotic, but that just wouldn't get across your actual ideas and would dilute your point. Long story short: just because people don't like to be told that they say stupid -blam!-, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x No need to rehash the arguments in favor of ignoring bad posts rather than replying with "you're an idiot." All of your analogies have been about inapplicable and irrelevant IRL situations, and in the one applicable analogy you made -- the analogy of a person trolling an MLP forum -- you yourself admitted that trolling would result in being "shunned and rejected" by that community's members. Exactly the kind of action that I am advocating.[/quote]If you ignore people, they can have a bunch of different conclusions that they can come to in their head. If you tell somebody that their post was stupid, and that the reasons it was stupid were [b]x[/b], [b]y[/b], and [b]z[/b], then they know exactly what you think and how they're being received by the rest of the community. It's the difference between picking putting your kid in their room, and putting them there and then telling them to clean it.[/quote]But who said the entire community is going to agree with your opinion? You can tell me that i'm ugly, stupid, and useless... but my super hott famous girlfriend from europe would tell me that i'm smart, handsome, and extremely useful. (her name is Ra1nb0wDash55) [Edited on 08.09.2012 5:59 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 It's the difference between picking putting your kid in their room, and putting them there and then telling them to clean it.[/quote]If your kid keeps messing their room do you call them a stupid idiot? (Hopefully) You don't. You tell them in a calm and respectful manner that they need to keep their room clean. Same outcome, different method. I was supposed to point this out to someone else but I can't find the post. So you'll have to do, Crazy. <3 [Edited on 08.09.2012 5:58 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x No need to rehash the arguments in favor of ignoring bad posts rather than replying with "you're an idiot." All of your analogies have been about inapplicable and irrelevant IRL situations, and in the one applicable analogy you made -- the analogy of a person trolling an MLP forum -- you yourself admitted that trolling would result in being "shunned and rejected" by that community's members. Exactly the kind of action that I am advocating.[/quote]If you ignore people, they can have a bunch of different conclusions that they can come to in their head. If you tell somebody that their post was stupid, and that the reasons it was stupid were [b]x[/b], [b]y[/b], and [b]z[/b], then they know exactly what you think and how they're being received by the rest of the community. It's the difference between picking putting your kid in their room, and putting them there and then telling them to clean it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 I wouldn't try and bring up semantics on here. People are always rude to others they don't like and will make sure the OP of the thread and everyone is aware of it. If the mods really banned all the people from the tongue and cheek stupidity people pull. 75% of the septagon would be banned. (Though some people need it). It is easy to say be kind but the fact is some people here are real jerks and will never learn. [/quote]Because banning solves everything right? [/quote] No I would prefer if people didn't get banned but I also want to make sure people who are out of line are dealt with. When people act like jerks to others, it lowers the quality of the forums for everyone. When you ban or warn someone, you are teaching them that the behavior is not acceptable. It is just like if a little kid keeps taking cookies out of a cookie jar after you told him to stop. If you make him go to "time out" for a bit, they learn that their actions do have consequences. Ignoring it or not really enforcing it tells the little kid that the authority figures are "push overs" and they feel they can continue to do what they want not fearing any consequences. This leads to more issues down the road and it makes the user turn into a bitter, rude person. But, sadly, there are some people who may not have any place on Bungie.net because they simply just want to be a jerk and break rules. After a certain period of time you just have to say enough is enough. [Edited on 08.09.2012 5:52 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 I wouldn't try and bring up semantics on here. People are always rude to others they don't like and will make sure the OP of the thread and everyone is aware of it. If the mods really banned all the people from the tongue and cheek stupidity people pull. 75% of the septagon would be banned. (Though some people need it). It is easy to say be kind but the fact is some people here are real jerks and will never learn. [/quote]Because banning solves everything right?

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  • When I start reading a thread, as soon as I determine it's a dumb thread, I go back out to the forum and look for a better thread. Not only does posting in it bump the thread, but I've already wasted my time reading a dumb thread, why do I want to waste any more of my time posting in it? That just doesn't make any sense.

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  • Bullying is lame... This rule, is a golden rule. [quote][i]- [u][b]Respect your fellow members[/b][/u], or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it.[/i][/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helveck So Community, are these methods too bold and cruel? Or should the practice be carefully utilized as to hopefully help bring about change within some people who would otherwise continue being the centre of their little world, spewing their stupid and idiotic nonsense? [/quote] Look, if I want to look for an intellectual topic to post in, I look at the groups. If not, I'll be on the Flood or Community. It's that simple, for me.

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