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7/20/2012 9:09:15 PM
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Lady Gaga is making kids -blam!-
[url=http://tinyurl.com/6nq7cad]Thousands of kids who might have otherwise worked through their pubescent -blam!- identity issues will be inspired to accept the wrong choice based upon this unscientific, emotionally charged born this way propaganda. What's brave or kind about telling thousands of -blam!-ly frustrated teens that they were born this way when a high percentage of them would have ended up taking the straight hetero-blam!- path for life?[/url]
I don't know what to make of this, I think I support of agree since she does very much seem to encourage it we would cause more people to experiment
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yea and New Wave of British metal makes me want to be British.
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she's pointless, and banal
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SlenderTheMan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Distant Moon I really wish the fairies would leave normal society alone. [/quote] There's always a couple crazies in these threads, aren't there?[/quote]Sadly.[/quote] And not a single one of you made a post regarding my statement.
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For all you poorly educated folk: [url]http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/scientists-link/[/url] [url]http://libertyeducationforum.org/docs/whitepapers/is_it_a_choice_white_paper.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/71586/title/Brain_chemical_influences_-blam!-_preference_in_mice[/url] [url]http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=8902D6F8-F97C-E6FE-74B6D67845F05FEA[/url] [url]http://www.sciencemag.org/content/285/5429/803.full[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ghostnubelost15 You agree that it's most likely that it's a mixture featuring majority genetic factors and yet you think it's a stretch to say things like 'born this way'?[/quote] Yes because I think that it may undermine environmental post-natal factors that could contribute to it as well; such as potential events which may have occured early on in childhood or during adolscence that could have contributed to homosexua1ity. Most scientists have noticed a link between sexua1ity and psychology. For example, people partially develop fetishes because of psychological events that occured during early childhood and/or adolescence. Plus, sexua1 attraction in itself varies from region to region as society determines what features and traits are sexua11y attractive in a partner, and most people only find themselves feeling sexua11y attracted to partners who fit the societies' standard. If psychology plays a role in all of this, then I do not see why it couldn't play a role in homosexua1ity as well. So, in conclusion, yes, I do believe that homosexua1ity is entirely out of a person's control and anyone saying that they could choose to be homosexua1 is absurd. But I think that at least from a scientific standpoint, to say that they are purely 'born that way' could be misleading and false from an academic standpoint. Ignore the possible offensive-ness of this analogy, but think of diabetes. People cannot choose to develop diabetes or get rid of it, but they were not necessarily 'born with' diabetes; no, they developed diabetes both because they were born with genes that were prone to contracting diabetes and because of events which occured during their lifetime that contributed to them contracting it, like certain eating habits for example. I think that homosexua1ity is somewhat similar, and while people cannot choose to become homosexua1 and prenatal factors did play some role in it, it is not academically sound to say they were 'born that way' because it ignores post-natal environmental factors that could have contributed to it like society shoving a particular sexua1 standard among them for a long time, or not having enough females around (hence why many men in prison become homosexua1) or some other event that affected them psychologically etc. [Edited on 07.20.2012 7:58 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Captain Richards [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ghostnubelost15 Saying "Born this Way" isn't highly questionable in any way. Deal with it.[/quote] Yes it it. Prove that people are born homosexua1. While I agree that no one chooses to become homosexua1, stating that they were born that way is jumping the gun when most scientists I am aware of state that the most likely theory is that homosexua1ity is a mixture between both prenatal and early psychological influences in the environment; as is all sexua1ity. Sexua1ity by nature is fluidic and changes very often for people; hence why some people develop fetishes, some hetero people become -blam!- and vice versa.[/quote] Your post is internally contradictory. You agree that it's most likely that it's a mixture featuring majority genetic factors and yet you think it's a stretch to say things like 'born this way'? Do you realize how little sense that makes? You have no control over your genetics, you cannot consciously choose to change them. You are born with them. To break this down further: Clause 1: Homosmeuxality is the result of mostly genetic factors (we both agree on this). Clause 2: You are born with your genes. You can't pick or choose or change them. Clause 3: Therefore it is reasonable, for all intents and purposes, to say that homosmexuals are indeed 'born that way'. It's simple really.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ghostnubelost15 Saying "Born this Way" isn't highly questionable in any way. Deal with it.[/quote] Yes it it. Prove that people are born homosexua1. While I agree that no one chooses to become homosexua1, stating that they were born that way is jumping the gun when most scientists I am aware of state that the most likely theory is that homosexua1ity is a mixture between both prenatal and early psychological influences in the environment; as is all sexua1ity. Sexua1ity by nature is fluidic and changes very often for people; hence why some people develop fetishes, some hetero people become -blam!- and vice versa. While it is true that whether someone is homosexua1 or not does not fall under human choice, I just do not see sufficient enough evidence to assert that it is purely the result of prenatal factors--or, in other words, 'being born that way'. [Edited on 07.20.2012 7:26 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec Being 'born this way' is a fail-safe point that shouldn't be conveyed to pubescent teens. I'd say it's safe to say that many straight people have questioned their -blam!- identities, and (seeing as they're straight) have worked through it. Do I respect same-sex relation people? Yes. Do I agree with the practice? No. Do I think "Born this way" is the right kind of message that should be conveyed? No, there are alternative messages backed with more (debatable) 'scientific evidence' that could be used, not 'born this way'. It would also seem to make -blam!--blam!- kids to present their -blam!--blam!-ity in abnormal manners, like some commenters have said before.[/quote] Does anyone care if you agree with the practice? No.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Captain Richards While I think it is true that her message may definitely have some type of affect on a developing pubescent's sexua1ity, we should not specifically scold her for her homosexua1 message anymore than we would scold her if she were advocating a heterosexua1 message. And that while saying that homosexua1s were born that way is highly questionable as science has yet to show us the full origins of human sexua1ity, we still should not discriminate against and/or treat people differently based on their sexua1ity provided they are not harming anyone.[/quote] Being able to pinpoint 1 specific gene =/= not having adequate evidence We have more than enough knowledge to conclude within reason that homosmexuality is the result of a combination of majority genetic and biological circumstances (outside of the realm of conscious choice obviously) and very early environmental influence on development. So no. Saying "Born this Way" isn't highly questionable in any way. Deal with it.
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The song is simply reinforcing everyone's identity... [i]I don't think I ever listened to the song start to finish... but here's the lyrics.[/i] [quote]Don't be drag, just be a queen Whether you're broke or evergreen You're black, white, beige, chola descent You're Lebanese, you're orient Whether life's disabilities Left you outcast, bullied or teased Rejoice and love yourself today 'Cause baby, you were born this way No matter -blam!-, straight or bi -blam!-, transgendered life I'm on the right track, baby I was born to survive No matter black, white or beige Chola or orient made I'm on the right track, baby I was born to be brave[/quote] [i]I like the idea and message... but not so much the song. I prefer the erotic and slightly disturbing lady gaga instead.[/i] [Edited on 07.20.2012 7:11 PM PDT]
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I agree with this statement. before we hit puberty we are very impressionable, so when a person who has a lot of media influence is saying be -blam!- its ok, kids will tend to model themselves after there idols
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While I think it is true that her message may definitely have some type of affect on a developing pubescent's sexua1ity, we should not specifically scold her for her homosexua1 message anymore than we would scold her if she were advocating a heterosexua1 message. And that while saying that homosexua1s were born that way is highly questionable as science has yet to show us the full origins of human sexua1ity, we still should not discriminate against and/or treat people differently based on their sexua1ity provided they are not harming anyone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip 'Wrong choice' So much wrong with those two words. OP I laugh at you.[/quote]There is no choice...they are literally "born this way". [Edited on 07.20.2012 6:48 PM PDT]
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"It's a choice". Soo... Stupid....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxExpungexX Its true tho.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec Being 'born this way' is a fail-safe point that shouldn't be conveyed to pubescent teens. I'd say it's safe to say that many straight people have questioned their -blam!- identities, and (seeing as they're straight) have worked through it. Do I respect same-sex relation people? Yes. Do I agree with the practice? No. Do I think "Born this way" is the right kind of message that should be conveyed? No, there are alternative messages backed with more (debatable) 'scientific evidence' that could be used, not 'born this way'. It would also seem to make -blam!--blam!- kids to present their -blam!--blam!-ity in abnormal manners, like some commenters have said before.[/quote] 100% agree.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Cheese Lady I actually agree. Instead of just letting it be what it is, she's glorified it to the extreme. She's not alone in doing so though, so you can't put all the blame on her. But I most certainly see the point. Anyway, this -blam!- era is getting kind of annoying. Every show nowadays has to have a -blam!- dude somewhere in it. [/quote] But you have to admit, that dude is the funniest character in the show sometimes.
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OP is stupid
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Don't worry guys, OP has speculation instead of evidence.
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Earth's overpopulated as it is
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Being 'born this way' is a fail-safe point that shouldn't be conveyed to pubescent teens. I'd say it's safe to say that many straight people have questioned their -blam!- identities, and (seeing as they're straight) have worked through it. Do I respect same-sex relation people? Yes. Do I agree with the practice? No. Do I think "Born this way" is the right kind of message that should be conveyed? No, there are alternative messages backed with more (debatable) 'scientific evidence' that could be used, not 'born this way'. It would also seem to make homo-blam!- kids to present their homo-blam!-ity in abnormal manners, like some commenters have said before. [Edited on 07.20.2012 2:40 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip 'Wrong choice' So much wrong with those two words. OP I laugh at you.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sh1n1ng Wolf What kid of going to pretend s/he's -blam!- just to be cool? Being -blam!- is a pain in the ass, pun intended. There are a lot of people all over the world that hate -blam!-s just for being -blam!-s.[/quote]Serious though, this. This is where I just can't wrap my mind out of those who claim -blam!--blam!-ity is a choice. Look at how they're treated worldwide; who in their right mind would choose that? For -blam!-s sake, there have been religious leaders condoning the [i]imprisonment[/i] and [i]execution[/i] of -blam!-s after the president showed support for same-sex couples. Sure, you get your party-girl -blam!-s and other headcases that do it just for the attention, but those types are going to shoot for that social pariah flag no matter what. For those who truly are attracted to their own sex/gender and come out publicly, hats off, because that takes some courage. [Edited on 07.20.2012 2:30 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] joedanny96 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip 'Wrong choice' So much wrong with those two words. OP I laugh at you.[/quote] I was about to say "inb4 people get butthurt over "wrong choice"", but can see now that I was far too late.[/quote] The butthurt is justified.[/quote][url=http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6085/6156202506_08220e5292_z.jpg]...[/URL] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie What makes the kids confused and question their nature, is that they were born that way, and they have been told its shameful. All Gaga is doing is letting them know that they have nothing to be ashamed of. People who question this are sick, and want people to question their own nature. My personal theory is that the extreme haters are they themselves Bi or -blam!- and are using their attitude of extreme hate to hide the fact, because they themselves are ashamed.[/quote][url=http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn]Interesting theory you have there.[/url]
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Me to. Anyone willing to hate another person for things the hated cannot control makes me sick. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ultratog1028 Because it makes people feel weird. Like interracial marriages did in the US 50 years ago. Normality and status quo are synonyms for stagnation. Life is not life if stagnate. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ultermarto [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] orlando1971 You can't MAKE someone -blam!-. They are born -blam!- or straight. They don't -blam!- pick.[/quote] I fail to see why it even matters. I, for example, doubt that there is in fact a ghey gene. I don't see how there could be. It serves no purpose to its own survival. At the same time, there is no 'vegetarianism gene'. It's just a lifestyle. And, granted it's adopted by choice whilst many gheys claim to have had no choice, the two are comparable. Being attracted to the same gender doesn't really hurt anybody. So, genetics aside, what's the problem?[/quote][/quote] Homophobes make me feel weird.[/quote]
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ITT: -blam!-s and straights arguing over -blam!-s
