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7/2/2012 3:48:39 PM
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Is working at Bungie a job security nightmare?
Most of the job listings say something to the effect that employment may be project-based or temporary. That would really suck for a developer with specialized game dev skills. Do employees feel like they have to outshine others to keep from being let go? I'm envisioning that scene from The Dark Knight where there are three guys and two sharp sticks. Is that how it works at Bungie?
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No, Bungie is better than this.
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I'm sure the employees at Bungie are very happy and secure with their jobs; they're legends to most of us, after all.
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You'd think Bungie would be better than that, firing people who aren't better than the rest.
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Fanboy mode engage! Everyone should realize they're still a penny pinching company, despite how great and kind they are to us. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eric Duffy No, Bungie is better than this.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eric Duffy No, Bungie is better than this.[/quote]You know absolutely nothing about the employment practices or how anything works at Bungie. Just because you like their games and they have some cool dudes doesn't mean this doesn't go on.
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[url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=30678]This should clarify everything.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eric Duffy No, Bungie is better than this.[/quote]You know absolutely nothing about the employment practices or how anything works at Bungie. Just because you like their games and they have some cool dudes doesn't mean this doesn't go on.[/quote] They value their employees greatly. However, if someone is not working at max their potential then it isn't unreasonable to remove them from the company. It's still a business.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Schlick15 I'm sure the employees at Bungie are very happy and secure with their jobs; they're legends to most of us, after all.[/quote]Heroes get remembered, legends never die.
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Halcylon still works there, so I'd imagine that once you're in, it's basically impossible to get fired.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Halcylon still works there, so I'd imagine that once you're in, it's basically impossible to get fired.[/quote]Do we actually consider what Hal does to be work?
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I think it's safe to say none of us really know how it is working there due to the fact that none of us work there but based off of how they threat their employees and us, the community, I would think that Bungie isn't cruel when it comes to job security.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lime013 [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=30678]This should clarify everything.[/url][/quote] That's really old and completely not what I'm talking about. I know all jobs are temporal in the long run. Just curious if there's a big staff up then staff down plan.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SharkTooth__ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eric Duffy No, Bungie is better than this.[/quote]You know absolutely nothing about the employment practices or how anything works at Bungie. Just because you like their games and they have some cool dudes doesn't mean this doesn't go on.[/quote] They value their employees greatly. However, if someone is not working at max their potential then it isn't unreasonable to remove them from the company. It's still a business.[/quote]I'm sure they do but people are acting like they can somehow speak for Bungie.
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Well, Bungie being a pretty prestigious place, I imagine that their hiring policies are fairly stringent. So regular employees are probably pretty secure if they don't -blam!- up too badly. Bungie also hires contract employees, and it's made clear to them that they're working for a certain amount of time. Contract employees can become full-time Bungie employees, but I imagine that's more likely the exception than the norm. The people who are let go after a project are the kind who should be aware that that's probably what's going to happen.
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What exactly is hal's job?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Canadian Bac0nz Bungie also hires contract employees, and it's made clear to them that they're working for a certain amount of time.[/quote] There's probably permanent contractors also. Contractor doesn't imply temporary. But, it does allow Bungie to let the contractor go without notice or reason (not that they do this).
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Video Games are a very uncertain industry when it comes to jobs whether you're working for an independent studio or one of the colossi, Studios shrink and grow during projects for the games all the time.
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They're a business. Layoffs happen.
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I read one line of a document and blow it out of proportion!! RAWRRRR!
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Of course none of us knows what goes at Bungie internally. We can only speculate, unless Bungie themselves chimes in. I am aware of a few anecdotes which make Bungie seem like they really value their employees, but have little tolerance for people they don't need. When Skip was in IT, he said he was impressed with the quality of all the employees. He said in every other place he'd worked, he quickly out shined everyone because he was just plain better and more motivated to be excellent. However, at Bungie he said he was surprised because everyone he worked with was just as good and as motivated as he was. He thought it was great that everyone he encountered was as good at their job as they could possibly be. I don't know if Skip is still there though. I have not heard anything from him in years, and I know he was contracted at least at the beginning of his tenure. So on the whole, I'd say Bungie is a pretty secure place to work. Bungie has been growing and seemingly changing quite a bit lately. I don't know if any portion of the anecdotes and my own inference from seeing Bungie do what Bungie does still applies. It could be exactly the same, despite being a 300+ employee company now. Perhaps we'll see. The industry in general doesn't seem to be very secure though. People seem to bounce around a lot depending on what kind of studio they work at, and what specifically they can do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Halcylon still works there, so I'd imagine that once you're in, it's basically impossible to get fired.[/quote] Oh Wow. BURN! To Halcylon. ;p
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Halcylon still works there, so I'd imagine that once you're in, it's basically impossible to get fired.[/quote] Pretty much this. Last I checked, when you are hired on to Bungie as a full time staff member, you are given Bungie Stock and literally "own" a piece of Bungie. Since Bungie is an independent game company, the employees own the company, not someone else.
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Personally, I don't feel I'm in competition with my peers around the studio. Part of that is a product of our hiring practices. As a rule, we hire people who are passionate at being good at their jobs. There's enough self-applied pressure to perform that the studio doesn't have to add any extra. Sure, because I work in the games industry my job's less secure than it would be if I were usability testing accounting software, but I'm happy to trade a little security for the chance to work on a product I really believe in.
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is any job secure nowadays?
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I imagine it is more a nightmare to get in that it is a nightmare on the job. One benefit of an intensive interview process.
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I thought they were all temps from an agency
