I'll support the American people 100%.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hoggs Bison [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta Actually, yes, half of Americans DO support the other half. [url=http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/]Here[/url] [/quote] Good thing federal taxes are the only taxes anyone ever pays. I'd hate for there to be state or local taxes. Or, even worse, both at the same time. [/quote] Right? And if one of the highest state taxes were to be say...13% you'd have 48% of your income stolen from you before ever receiving it. That would be rather pleasant.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta Actually, yes, half of Americans DO support the other half. [url=http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/]Here[/url] [/quote] Good thing federal taxes are the only taxes anyone ever pays. I'd hate for there to be state or local taxes. Or, even worse, both at the same time. [Edited on 05.05.2012 12:35 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 'By 2025' if the Federal Government keeps spending at current rates. It won't. There's a bi-partisan consensus on that. Less people are applying for welfare. Lower unemployment hasn't been debunked.[/quote] [url=http://tinypic.com/r/2a7zvjp/6]Haha![/url] Says who? Nearly half the country lives off of the support of the other half. I'd like to see evidence of less welfare taking place. Which is most likely countered by unemployment extensions and phony job creation. It's better to have no job than a job building a bridge to nowhere. And still, there has been NO evidence the debt is slowing down anytime soon. The debt cap has been raised every single time they've asked for it to be raised. Thinking that is going to change is just rather...foolish. Also, there is now more debt than actual dollars. Any way you slice it the dollar has already failed. I doubt you understand the amount of a trillion, let alone 15.7[/quote] Ouch, careful with that invective... It's called the global economy. Debt isn't financed from America alone, it comes from the entire world. Half of America is not supporting the other half. A job is a job. You're referring to underemployment, which is still valid. It courses money through the economy and starts the process of recovery. Lower income earners spend more of their income than higher earners, so it still builds aggregate demand which is the fuel of economic growth. Over time incomes will rise again as they always have. If you read my post, I said the debt doesn't have to be lowered immediately. That would be counter-productive to growth and therefore paying the rest of the debt. You're trying to say it's mathematically impossible for the US to pay its debt, which simple isn't true. It can and will.[/quote] Actually, yes, half of Americans DO support the other half. [url=http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/]Here[/url]

Yeah, this isn't going to happen. You'd have to be soft in the head to believe any of this bull -blam!-.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rst7503 What would result from our civil war? We'd just be throwing off the shackles of one system for the shackles of another without gaining any significant tangible change. History has shown this with nearly every successful overthrow of government.[/quote]Hmmmmm Every British civil war would like a word with you, same with the french and spanish.

Well, I got some good news then. There will be a new total war.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 'By 2025' if the Federal Government keeps spending at current rates. It won't. There's a bi-partisan consensus on that. Less people are applying for welfare. Lower unemployment hasn't been debunked.[/quote] [url=http://tinypic.com/r/2a7zvjp/6]Haha![/url] Says who? Nearly half the country lives off of the support of the other half. I'd like to see evidence of less welfare taking place. Which is most likely countered by unemployment extensions and phony job creation. It's better to have no job than a job building a bridge to nowhere. And still, there has been NO evidence the debt is slowing down anytime soon. The debt cap has been raised every single time they've asked for it to be raised. Thinking that is going to change is just rather...foolish. Also, there is now more debt than actual dollars. Any way you slice it the dollar has already failed. I doubt you understand the amount of a trillion, let alone 15.7[/quote] Ouch, careful with that invective... It's called the global economy. Debt isn't financed from America alone, it comes from the entire world. Half of America is not supporting the other half. A job is a job. You're referring to underemployment, which is still valid. It courses money through the economy and starts the process of recovery. Lower income earners spend more of their income than higher earners, so it still builds aggregate demand which is the fuel of economic growth. Over time incomes will rise again as they always have. If you read my post, I said the debt doesn't have to be lowered immediately. That would be counter-productive to growth and therefore paying the rest of the debt. You're trying to say it's mathematically impossible for the US to pay its debt, which simple isn't true. It can and will.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 'By 2025' if the Federal Government keeps spending at current rates. It won't. There's a bi-partisan consensus on that. Less people are applying for welfare. Lower unemployment hasn't been debunked.[/quote] [url=http://tinypic.com/r/2a7zvjp/6]Haha![/url] Says who? Nearly half the country lives off of the support of the other half. I'd like to see evidence of less welfare taking place. Which is most likely countered by unemployment extensions and phony job creation. It's better to have no job than a job building a bridge to nowhere. And still, there has been NO evidence the debt is slowing down anytime soon. The debt cap has been raised every single time they've asked for it to be raised. Thinking that is going to change is just rather...foolish. Also, there is now more debt than actual dollars. Any way you slice it the dollar has already failed. I doubt you understand the amount of a trillion, let alone 15.7 [Edited on 05.05.2012 3:06 AM PDT]

This seems like a reliable and serious news source.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 The whole article is predicated on the idea that the US Dollar is about to collapse, which it won, and that hyperinflation will ensue, which it won't.[/quote] LOL!!!!! What? The debt has exponentially increased. The dollar has already failed. And yes, creating ghost money (They no longer print it, just add 0s onto bank accounts) it devalues every existing dollar and has interest attached. That creates inflation and raises the price of all goods while simultaneously making the dollars you spend lower in value. By the way, the debt just reached [url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]$15.7 trillion[/url] only days ago and steadily increasing. [/quote] The dollar hasn't failed. That's crap. Check out monetarism and you'll see why printing/creating currency doesn't always equal inflation (particularly relevant to the US at this time). Inflation is in a very comfortable zone and has been for years. The amount of spending should stay at roughly the same level for the moment until the recovery is sustainable. Things are still fickle right now, but there are signs of improvement (unemployment figures are foremost among such indicators). Any serious contraction in fiscal policy will do more harm than good right now. Having said that, it will pose a problem in the medium term if things don't change. Debt is only bad when the borrower has no capacity to pay. The US has such a capacity and it will expand in the future as the economy grows in tandem.[/quote] Our interest on debt alone will not be sustainable by 2025. Unemployment is not getting better, that has been debunked. There's simply less people looking for jobs. There is simply no recovering from the debt now. It has exponentially increased since 1992 and we're just now starting to feel the effects. [/quote] 'By 2025' if the Federal Government keeps spending at current rates. It won't. There's a bi-partisan consensus on that. Less people are applying for welfare. Lower unemployment hasn't been debunked.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 The whole article is predicated on the idea that the US Dollar is about to collapse, which it won, and that hyperinflation will ensue, which it won't.[/quote] LOL!!!!! What? The debt has exponentially increased. The dollar has already failed. And yes, creating ghost money (They no longer print it, just add 0s onto bank accounts) it devalues every existing dollar and has interest attached. That creates inflation and raises the price of all goods while simultaneously making the dollars you spend lower in value. By the way, the debt just reached [url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]$15.7 trillion[/url] only days ago and steadily increasing. [/quote] The dollar hasn't failed. That's crap. Check out monetarism and you'll see why printing/creating currency doesn't always equal inflation (particularly relevant to the US at this time). Inflation is in a very comfortable zone and has been for years. The amount of spending should stay at roughly the same level for the moment until the recovery is sustainable. Things are still fickle right now, but there are signs of improvement (unemployment figures are foremost among such indicators). Any serious contraction in fiscal policy will do more harm than good right now. Having said that, it will pose a problem in the medium term if things don't change. Debt is only bad when the borrower has no capacity to pay. The US has such a capacity and it will expand in the future as the economy grows in tandem.[/quote] Our interest on debt alone will not be sustainable by 2025. Unemployment is not getting better, that has been debunked. There's simply less people looking for jobs. There is simply no recovering from the debt now. It has exponentially increased since 1992 and we're just now starting to feel the effects.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 The whole article is predicated on the idea that the US Dollar is about to collapse, which it won, and that hyperinflation will ensue, which it won't.[/quote] LOL!!!!! What? The debt has exponentially increased. The dollar has already failed. And yes, creating ghost money (They no longer print it, just add 0s onto bank accounts) it devalues every existing dollar and has interest attached. That creates inflation and raises the price of all goods while simultaneously making the dollars you spend lower in value. By the way, the debt just reached [url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]$15.7 trillion[/url] only days ago and steadily increasing. [/quote] The dollar hasn't failed. That's crap. Check out monetarism and you'll see why printing/creating currency doesn't always equal inflation (particularly relevant to the US at this time). Inflation is in a very comfortable zone and has been for years. The amount of spending should stay at roughly the same level for the moment until the recovery is sustainable. Things are still fickle right now, but there are signs of improvement (unemployment figures are foremost among such indicators). Any serious contraction in fiscal policy will do more harm than good right now. Having said that, it will pose a problem in the medium term if things don't change. Debt is only bad when the borrower has no capacity to pay. The US has such a capacity and it will expand in the future as the economy grows in tandem.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sillyboy44 The whole article is predicated on the idea that the US Dollar is about to collapse, which it won, and that hyperinflation will ensue, which it won't.[/quote] LOL!!!!! What? The debt has exponentially increased. The dollar has already failed. And yes, creating ghost money (They no longer print it, just add 0s onto bank accounts) it devalues every existing dollar and has interest attached. That creates inflation and raises the price of all goods while simultaneously making the dollars you spend lower in value. By the way, the debt just reached [url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]$15.7 trillion[/url] only days ago and steadily increasing. [Edited on 05.05.2012 2:07 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crystal Clear Yes, because the american people are idiotic, apathetic, oblivious, and complacent.[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kadoozy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlazingAngel94 Maybe if America went back into isolationism like Washington wanted....... Seriously, when America practiced isolationism everything was fantastic. We only got involved in European affairs when American lives where being taken (Lusitania and Pearl Harbor). As a country, we were able to worry about the problems at home and improved a lot in American culture. I want an isolationist America![/quote] This. /thread. All arguments against it are invalid.[/quote] "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." -Thomas Jefferson

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlazingAngel94 Maybe if America went back into isolationism like Washington wanted....... Seriously, when America practiced isolationism everything was fantastic. We only got involved in European affairs when American lives where being taken (Lusitania and Pearl Harbor). As a country, we were able to worry about the problems at home and improved a lot in American culture. I want an isolationist America![/quote] This. /thread. All arguments against it are invalid.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] R_Richard_P26 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crystal Clear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EcksBawks_live [/quote] Sir, are you mad? Parties are political ideologies, but people make it more. I'm not a serf... School schedules exist because of order and ease. Rule breaking is only shouting cusses out loud... Debt slavery? Most people who think a little avoid that, and it's not slavery. It's "paying back what you owe so the bank doesn't go bankrupt". Society praises that 'cuz people do, too. The rest is mindless ramble... And you want war? [/quote] Yes, and I have every reason to be mad. Oh, really? Think about -blam!- 9-5 jobs. It's merely slavery. Look up the founders of the American public school system. It's just indoctrination. You shouldn't have to pay for education. I see it as a right for every man, woman and child. Extorting people with it is heinous. Because a Huxleyian society combined with Orwellian governments allows excellent control. The tree can't see the forest. No, it's not. Change comes only at the barrel of a gun.[/quote] No one should have to pay for education? Well tough -blam!- buddy, 'cause teachers need to eat to. Want free health care? Someone's got to keep the machines running, the doctor has to feed his family and medical supplies aren't made from good thoughts and fairy dust. This is one of the major problems I see with society today, not enough people have encountered a real need or hunger to comprehend that everything has to come from somewhere. Cows don't just die and miraculous fall apart into precooked patties. Some one has to butcher it, and does it make them a bad person to demand some payment for their work so they can have some nice things? It's honestly hilarious how police, paramedics, teachers, doctors, and firemen are absolutely necessary for an operable society, and most people respect them for their contributions. But as soon as someone doesn't have enough money to pay for a new kidney, a procedure that costs thousands of dollars for a hospital to perform, the doctors and health care system become blood sucking vampires feeding off the suffering of 'the people (don't think I didn't notice you setting up the same "us vs them" mentality you blame the rich of)' And as soon as people hear their taxes have to go up so that the school can buy gas for the buses, suddenly the teachers should just sacrifice their pay. The thing you just don't realize is that it's not some group of rich doctors/teachers/movie stars that are holding you down and making you pay for things, it's the fact that there are only a limited number of things in the world, and everyone wants as many as possible. Have a talent that lets you get more things than someone else, congratulations, according to your ideas they're a bad person. Human nature is to never be satisfied for long, the "rich" aren't trying to do you harm, their trying to make their own lives better, and just as you can't imagine any stress from dealing with paparazzi, fame, political decisions, medical student loans, or any of the other things they go through, they can't imagine any of the bills or paying for education that you go through, so as far as they can see what they are wanting is far, just how as you see it what you are wanting is fair.[/quote] Thank god someone pulled him up for that nonsense. The whole article is predicated on the idea that the US Dollar is about to collapse, which it won, and that hyperinflation will ensue, which it won't. There's no evidence pointing to either of those eventualities.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crystal Clear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EcksBawks_live [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crystal Clear Let's take a look, shall we? A look at what is really wrong with our society; It is not the left, nor is it the right. It is not the communist nor the capitalist, nor is it the fascist nor the libertarian. Those are simply divisional tactics used to separate, and ultimately control us. No, I am here to show you the truth, the truth of what is really wrong here. I am here to remove the veil over your eyes, and show you the dystopian future that has overtaken us. I am here to show you the light. Whether or not you believe what am I to say, is a different matter. Now, let us begin. You. Yes, you. You are a serf. Nothing more, nothing less. You sow the fields of the world, and then you reap them for your masters. In exchange, they let you live a mundane, stressful, and repetitive life. They brainwash you from a young age to accept this lifestyle. Wake up. Go to work. Come home. Sleep. Sound familiar? Public schooling. The first place you are trained. Trained to think as an idiotic hivemind. You will accept orders, believe what you are told, and follow a rigid schedule. Step out of line and you're punished. No need to break the status quo, for uniformity is perfection, right? Right? -blam!- no. As soon as you are ejected from the inefficient beast of public schooling, you will begin your debt slavery via student loan. You're the government's -blam!- now, baby! Now you have begun your serfdom, all for a watered down "education". It's easy to see now, isn't it? We're just cogs in a machine. A gray, evil machine. As if this wasn't bad enough. Our society praises living in the now, sex, materialism, practically the -blam!- feelies. And you better agree with, because if you don't, you're simply degraded and humiliated. Sound familiar? I'd say so. I'd say it's eerily familiar. Prophetically familiar... Ah, yes! Brave New World! That's why it is so familiar, we have a -blam!- Huxleyian society! You see, without going into awful detail, the world is held within the grasps of a beast, a real nasty little beast. The name of that beast is Neo-Feudalism. Honestly, take a look. The rich live in their isolated little castles, they don't mingle with us petty commoners. Their priesthood, the media tells us what we are to believe; If we think otherwise we're simply crazy. Their strong arm, the governments keeps us in line. We rise up and we will be destroyed. All to protect the fantastic lifestyles of a few. And the best part is, is that they have ensured that we ourselves are destroyed! They have ruined the minds of our youth, they have created bogeymen, terrorism is the popular one now, communism was the one of the past. Political enemies are simply lumped into these groups, and laws passed to "protect" us. Countries are ravaged by insane globalism, all to serve the benefits of the rich. There really is no hope. Disinformation creates the intellectual bogeyman of the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. Thoughtcrime without a crime of law, but a crime of society. The truth is mocked. And the average man, the average man will think these thoughts, but dismiss them as insanity. For the media says the world is bad due to the right! Or it is bad due to the left! Or there really is nothing to be afraid of, everything is perfect! Listen. I'm not saying I am a leader. I'm not pointing fingers at ideologies. I'm saying the rich and the corrupt have wreathed their slimy appendages around our throats and they will not let go. They have instituted a nearly worldwide Huxleyian society and made most governments Orwellian, a fatal combination. On top of this, they have monopolized us. Our blood. We have been cheated, lied, sold, stabbed in the -blam!- back. All for momentary gain, all a desperate act to stay in power for just a little longer. Hell, they're already assaulting the internet, simply because they cannot control it. I'm not saying vote your way out of this. The system is broken. No one can fix it. Your vote is worthless, regardless of where you live, for change, change comes only at the barrel of a gun. So no, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying any sort of political reform is the answer, I'm not saying any sort of religion is the answer. I'm not saying any man is the answer. I'm saying... Rise up. [/quote] Sir, are you mad? Parties are political ideologies, but people make it more. I'm not a serf... School schedules exist because of order and ease. Rule breaking is only shouting cusses out loud... Debt slavery? Most people who think a little avoid that, and it's not slavery. It's "paying back what you owe so the bank doesn't go bankrupt". Society praises that 'cuz people do, too. The rest is mindless ramble... And you want war? [/quote] Yes, and I have every reason to be mad. Oh, really? Think about -blam!- 9-5 jobs. It's merely slavery. Look up the founders of the American public school system. It's just indoctrination. You shouldn't have to pay for education. I see it as a right for every man, woman and child. Extorting people with it is heinous. Because a Huxleyian society combined with Orwellian governments allows excellent control. The tree can't see the forest. No, it's not. Change comes only at the barrel of a gun.[/quote] No one should have to pay for education? Well tough -blam!- buddy, 'cause teachers need to eat to. Want free health care? Someone's got to keep the machines running, the doctor has to feed his family and medical supplies aren't made from good thoughts and fairy dust. This is one of the major problems I see with society today, not enough people have encountered a real need or hunger to comprehend that everything has to come from somewhere. Cows don't just die and miraculous fall apart into precooked patties. Some one has to butcher it, and does it make them a bad person to demand some payment for their work so they can have some nice things? It's honestly hilarious how police, paramedics, teachers, doctors, and firemen are absolutely necessary for an operable society, and most people respect them for their contributions. But as soon as someone doesn't have enough money to pay for a new kidney, a procedure that costs thousands of dollars for a hospital to perform, the doctors and health care system become blood sucking vampires feeding off the suffering of 'the people (don't think I didn't notice you setting up the same "us vs them" mentality you blame the rich of)' And as soon as people hear their taxes have to go up so that the school can buy gas for the buses, suddenly the teachers should just sacrifice their pay. The thing you just don't realize is that it's not some group of rich doctors/teachers/movie stars that are holding you down and making you pay for things, it's the fact that there are only a limited number of things in the world, and everyone wants as many as possible. Have a talent that lets you get more things than someone else, congratulations, according to your ideas they're a bad person. Human nature is to never be satisfied for long, the "rich" aren't trying to do you harm, their trying to make their own lives better, and just as you can't imagine any stress from dealing with paparazzi, fame, political decisions, medical student loans, or any of the other things they go through, they can't imagine any of the bills or paying for education that you go through, so as far as they can see what they are wanting is far, just how as you see it what you are wanting is fair. [Edited on 05.04.2012 10:56 PM PDT]

Who is this 'informant'

Government wouldn't have to worry if guns were illegal.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Vegeta Given the PATRIOT Act and NDAA this is completely believable. [/quote] I don't think the American people have enough balls to rise up in a significant enough volume to actually cause the government to worry about us. So many of us would rather just be quiet, keep calm, and carry on. Sad, really.[/quote]Look at the amount of people who think that the government will never try to take us over again. I'm not saying that it is likely to happen now, but it will happen eventually. Maybe 50 years from now maybe 100. History always repeats itself. Governments have been doing this type of stuff for thousands of years. A couple hundred years isnt going to change that. [Edited on 05.04.2012 9:51 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chris Gotham When I was in the military there were quite a few NCOs I came across who really believed a Civil War was coming, and fast. I talked to some of them about it and honestly, I believe that if it were to happen the citizens could possibly win. No military or known militia can stand up to the United States Armed Forces in open conflict or conventional warfare. Instead, it would be winnable through bankrupting the government into collapse, and guerrilla warfare. That's how we're losing in Afghanistan, not because they can beat us military wise, but because they're beating us financially. Stack on top of that, how large and populated the United States is, combat personnel would be stretched to the breaking point. And many military members would desert and fight with for the populace. [/quote] Question is, how many soldiers will take up arms in support of the rebels? It's gonna take a lot to get us to the point of civil war. I see civil rights being destroyed and the constitution being abolished. That would lead us to the path I guarantee it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mr _super sauce There won't be an election? This is Obama trying to stay in office longer. IT'S JUST LIKE EMPEROR PALPATINE! [/quote] you best believe every redneck and their mother would be on the front steps of the white house if that happened. I don't think anyone in the government is stupid enough to do something completely radical all at once. That would gain too much attention from the people...instead it's a policy change here, another there, until there is massive change and the nation is scratching their heads asking "how did that just happen?"

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlazingAngel94 Maybe if America went back into isolationism like Washington wanted....... Seriously, when America practiced isolationism everything was fantastic. We only got involved in European affairs when American lives where being taken (Lusitania and Pearl Harbor). As a country, we were able to worry about the problems at home and improved a lot in American culture. I want an isolationist America![/quote] Yes, the years before WWII certainly were "fantastic". [/quote] If I've not mistaken, until some radicalprogressive ideas were implemented by a certain someone America was doing great prior to the 30s.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferza 11 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Do Da Lalalala How many Americans actually care enough to do anything like that?[/quote]I care enough and I'm sure my AR-15 agrees... [/quote]Easy there, killer.