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4/14/2012 9:56:38 PM
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University to ban Alcohol because 20% of students are muslim
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/apr/12/university-alcohol-free-zones-muslim-students]University where 20% of students are Muslim considers alcohol-free zones
'We need to be more cautious about sex too,' says vice-chancellor of London Metropolitan University
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[quote]A London university is considering establishing alcohol-free zones on its campuses because so many of its students consider drinking to be immoral.
Professor Malcolm Gillies, vice-chancellor of London Metropolitan University, said the selling of alcohol was an issue of "cultural sensitivity" at his institution where a fifth of students are Muslim.
Speaking to a conference of university administrators in Manchester, he said that for many students, drinking alcohol was "an immoral experience".
"Because there is no majority ethnic group [at London Metropolitan], I think [selling alcohol] is playing to particular parts of our society much more [than to others]," he was reported as saying in the Times Higher Education magazine.
He said he saw little reason for the university to subsidise a student bar on campus when there were "at least half a dozen pubs within 200m".
He told the Guardian the makeup of his institution had changed considerably over the past few decades. In the past it had been "substantially Anglo Saxon now 20% of our students are Muslim," he said.
"We therefore need to rethink how we cater for that 21st-century balance. For many students now, coming to university is not about having a big drinking experience. The university bar is not as used as it used to be."[/quote]
[Edited on 04.14.2012 1:59 PM PDT]
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As per the Bible, I believe [url=http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/22-11.htm]wearing blended fabrics is wrong[/url]! Therefore, I demand that my university create polyester-free zones to accommodate my culture.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NewRadical12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.[/quote] So we should seek to actively suppress other cultures by refusing to accommodate them is what you're saying? [/quote]Is allowing people to drink actively suppressing other cultures?[/quote] Refusing to give students who don't drink areas where they can be away from alcohol certainly is. Are you really so afraid of other cultures that a simple measure to accommodate them is offensive? People are allowed to drink. Just not in certain areas. Just like they can't smoke in certain areas. [/quote]The differences between public smoking and public consumption of alcohol have already been addressed. If Muslims asked for pork-free zones, should they be created? I am actually quite willing to bet that there would be more support therefor from a coalition of Jews, vegans, vegetarians, and Muslims than for alcohol-free zones. Then again, I don't suspect that vegans, vegetarians, and Jews expect other people to be restricted to accommodate their moral edicts as these Muslims apparently do. [/quote] Most schools already do this. I'm guessing you didn't know about it because it doesn't affect you. They provide meat free options for people who don't eat meat. No one is expecting anyone to be restricted except for you. Why would a university alienate and offend 20% of its students by not offering them areas where they can be away from drinking? You want to control other cultures by refusing to listen to them, because you think that one culture is better than the other. Again, if 20% of students don't drink, then what's the problem with making 20% of the campus alcohol free? Why should the non-drinking (NOT JUST MUSLIM FOR -blam!-'S SAKE) 80%'s voice apply to 100% of the students?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.[/quote] So we should seek to actively suppress other cultures by refusing to accommodate them is what you're saying? [/quote]Is allowing people to drink actively suppressing other cultures?[/quote] Refusing to give students who don't drink areas where they can be away from alcohol certainly is.[/quote]Right. Because, as we all know, being within 100 feet of an ethanol molecule is lethal to people of other cultures. [quote]Are you really so afraid of other cultures that a simple measure to accommodate them is offensive? [/quote]It isn't offensive to me. Just inadequate and short sighted. How do you ever expect them to integrate of you section them off? [quote]People are allowed to drink. Just not in certain areas. Just like they can't smoke in certain areas. [/quote]Scratch that. Ethanol vapor is now a known carcinogen regardless of your beliefs.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.[/quote] So we should seek to actively suppress other cultures by refusing to accommodate them is what you're saying? [/quote]Is allowing people to drink actively suppressing other cultures?[/quote] Refusing to give students who don't drink areas where they can be away from alcohol certainly is. Are you really so afraid of other cultures that a simple measure to accommodate them is offensive? People are allowed to drink. Just not in certain areas. Just like they can't smoke in certain areas. [/quote]The differences between public smoking and public consumption of alcohol have already been addressed. If Muslims asked for pork-free zones, should they be created? I am actually quite willing to bet that there would be more support therefor from a coalition of Jews, vegans, vegetarians, and Muslims than for alcohol-free zones. Then again, I don't suspect that vegans, vegetarians, and Jews expect other people to be restricted to accommodate their moral edicts as these Muslims apparently do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.[/quote] So we should seek to actively suppress other cultures by refusing to accommodate them is what you're saying? [/quote]Is allowing people to drink actively suppressing other cultures?[/quote] Refusing to give students who don't drink areas where they can be away from alcohol certainly is. Are you really so afraid of other cultures that a simple measure to accommodate them is offensive? People are allowed to drink. Just not in certain areas. Just like they can't smoke in certain areas. Your line of thinking is either completely idiotic, or I'm missing something here. You're saying that we should never accommodate other cultures? That we should be allowed to drink in an area where a group of students has said that they don't want drinking? [Edited on 04.14.2012 6:33 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.[/quote] So we should seek to actively suppress other cultures by refusing to accommodate them is what you're saying? [/quote]Is allowing people to drink actively suppressing other cultures?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.[/quote] So we should seek to actively suppress other cultures by refusing to accommodate them is what you're saying?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NewRadical12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NewRadical12 Welcome to your world on Islam![/quote] Yeah, soon universities and colleges everywhere will start having dorms and areas where alcohol is not allowed. Just like they already do, but it's bad because you threw the word 'Islam' in there. [/quote]It seems pretty clear to me that the choice was made, as the chancellor put it, due to concerns of "'cultural sensitivity.'" I am appalled at the idea that institutions of higher education should shape their culture and school around what one minority finds "offensive."[/quote] If a school's culture and school is shaped by its drinking policy, then that school has some serious priority issues. This is one small change. This isn't a massive restructuring or anything like that. They aren't banning alcohol. They aren't telling students that they can't drink at all. They're simply setting aside areas for people (for -blam!-'s sake, this isn't just for Muslims) who don't want to be around alcohol. My school does this. Just like every other school in America. It isn't a problem for us, why would it be a problem for Londoners? Making small changes for people of other cultures is not a bad thing. Students will be told what areas of the campus are alcohol free, and they can simply go to another area to drink.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 The minority chooses a place not to drink. They live in those places. In those places, the minority becomes the majority. The majority of students who drink can drink in the majority of places. [/quote]Why do they have to create a dry ecosystem to function? [quote]Again, no one is forcing their beliefs on anyone. The school is choosing (of their own accord) to listen to their students and accommodate them. I really have no clue why this is so hard to understand. Why are smokers told to go outside? Why is public intoxication illegal? Why do some communities have "free speech zones" designated for protestors? It's because we limit behaviors to certain areas [i]all the time[/i]. This is only an issue when the word Muslim is involved.[/quote] No, it's an issue when cultural sensitivities are the justification. The implementation of alcohol-free zones isn't the problem, per se. For example, my campus has an alcohol-free dorm. It's the freshman dorm, and I have no problem with it because there is a good reason for it: Claim: The freshman dorm should be an alcohol-free zone Warrant: 99% of incoming freshman are under 21 Valid?: Yes. Claim: Smoking should be banned indoors. Warrant: Smoke smells bad and causes cancer. Valid?: Yes. Claim: We should implement alcohol free zones in some of our dorms. Warrant: Cultural sensitivity. Valid?: No. This is because cultural sensitivity is never an adequate justification for any policy. Like I said, it's why they're implementing the policy, not that they are implementing it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rational Music And? They shouldn't ban alcohol any more than pork.[/quote]This. There are, of course, legitimate reasons to ban alcohol from certain areas. Safety comes to mind. One of them, however, is not "cultural sensitivity."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rational Music And? They shouldn't ban alcohol any more than pork.[/quote] icwatudidthar
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And? They shouldn't ban alcohol any more than pork.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NewRadical12 Welcome to your world on Islam![/quote] Yeah, soon universities and colleges everywhere will start having dorms and areas where alcohol is not allowed. Just like they already do, but it's bad because you threw the word 'Islam' in there. [/quote]It seems pretty clear to me that the choice was made, as the chancellor put it, due to concerns of "'cultural sensitivity.'" I am appalled at the idea that institutions of higher education should shape their culture and school around what one minority finds "offensive."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NewRadical12 Welcome to your world on Islam![/quote] Yeah, soon universities and colleges everywhere will start having dorms and areas where alcohol is not allowed. Just like they already do, but it's bad because you threw the word 'Islam' in there.
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No wonder racism is on the rise, with retardation like this going on all the retards will start blaming muslims and turning to the right
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Welcome to your world on Islam!
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Sensationalist title is sensationalist.
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All I read were the words "university", "alcohol", and "Muslims". I can only assume that drunk Muslims ran rampant in a university full of sober Brits. ...But seriously, there is nothing wrong with setting up alcohol-free zones. [Edited on 04.14.2012 5:47 PM PDT]
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Good, now those tards can spend more time studying rather than getting hammered all the damn time.
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lolUK. Xenophobia sounds ridiculous until you look at them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade Is it bad that the main thing I did was laugh at all the idiots that clearly read nothing but the title? I see no problem with this. Every college or university I've been to had quiet and alcohol-free areas. There usually the two top floors of the dorms were quiet areas. It's a good thing for the people that want to study, or don't want to drink, to not be bothered by the people that want to be rowdy and party.[/quote] It's good to see that someone else actually reads posts, and can look past the word 'Muslims'.
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Is it bad that the main thing I did was laugh at all the idiots that clearly read nothing but the title? I see no problem with this. Every college or university I've been to had quiet and alcohol-free areas. There usually the two top floors of the dorms were quiet areas. It's a good thing for the people that want to study, or don't want to drink, to not be bothered by the people that want to be rowdy and party.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DOINKEN My morals are better than yours. So I'm going to make them LAW![/quote] No one has the authority to infringe on freedoms.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Android Spartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie That's a misleading title. They were talking about making alcohol free zones. Not making the whole university dry. Why would you stir up the racist comments by misleading us so?[/quote]I see nothing racist about what I put.[/quote]I meant the comments others are saying.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie That's a misleading title. They were talking about making alcohol free zones. Not making the whole university dry. Why would you stir up the racist comments by misleading us so?[/quote]I see nothing racist about what I put.
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My morals are better than yours. So I'm going to make them LAW!
