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8/3/2010 4:33:36 AM
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New Halo the Fall of Reach has Canon problems

In the new version there it states that reach comes under attack at 2542 and not 2552. the battles for Sigama Octanus and Reach are now 2542 Cole is now a Fleet Admiral in 2530 Admiral Stanforth is now a Vice Admiral 700+ ships attacked reach [Edited on 08.03.2010 1:53 PM PDT]

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  • Wow, great, here I was thinking that the new editions were not just going to be more halo milking but actually contribute something to the halo lore. Looks like I'm sadly mistaken. So, it seems that a lot of people have an issue with the dates and the number of ships, but did the book actually change anything meaningful? Like the MC not seeing elites until 2552? And the other bajillion other minor mistakes that I notice every time I re-read the novels but always seem to forget what they where later on? Also, I'd just like to say that Halo Legends was terrible. And the Package is just flat out the worst thing to happen to Halo canon. Anyone else thinks that most of Halo: Legends should be retconed? Oh man I can't wait to see how else Halo canon will be -blam!- up in the next few years.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WYOMING If they are rewriting canon for future writing possibilities, then they apparently are so mentally retarded to the point that there is a -blam!- ton of things that they can continue writing on. FIRST OF ALL, JOHN 117'S LOCATION. The Life of Dr. Halsey (the Journal in the limited edition will not contain all information on Halsey), i personally would like a book written about Didact and the Librarian, a detailed creation of the halo rings, the rookies life/actual identity, the life of the Arbiter, pretty much anything biographical on characters in halo. [/quote] No. They're saving John's location for Halo 4. They probably think Dr. Halsey is finished after Nylund finishes his journal. The Forerunner stuff you mention actually will be covered (probably) in Greg Bear's novels. The Rookie was in a short story, the Arbiter was in a book, etc... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gzalzi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crakapleez911 [/quote] [i]Actually[/i], it's that Frankie made an identical post ages ago when people were talking about cannon, and I found it ironic now that we are complaining about 343 (which Frankie is a big part of) ruining cannon that that urk made the exact same statement.[/quote] I get it. urk was trying to say something... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BK Burger Boy Canon for everything is eventually screwed in a dumpster on top of a burning freight train. Just look at Star Wars. I have what's called a personal canon where in my mind only the good stuff happened.[/quote] That's not always true. Star Trek has a pretty consistent canon. [Edited on 08.06.2010 5:48 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Justice One Duo First of all: 343 sucks at making canon. Secondly: I hate how they are going to retcon The Flood. While I may not have liked it, I would have to say that the one book they should [b]never[/b] retcon is The Flood. If they retcon that, then they are also retconning Halo: Combat Evolved, which, as far as I am concerned, is one of the only two Halo games that I consider to be truly good. Anyways, I pretty much feel that after Reach I am done with the Halo series. This bull-blam!- is getting to be too much. And don't say that I am just whining about 343, because I realize that Bungie has also made canon errors, and it is the cumulation of their's and 343's that have driven me to the point of hating what was once my favorite series.[/quote] I agree with retconning the flood. Its just not right since it is an adaptation of the first halo game. But then again Game>books IMO. Still i hope they reedit the book. I never hated 343 but i never had high hopes for them either. My hopes have diminished slightly since it was just a typo. [Edited on 08.06.2010 4:12 PM PDT]

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  • First of all: 343 sucks at making canon. Secondly: I hate how they are going to retcon The Flood. While I may not have liked it, I would have to say that the one book they should [b]never[/b] retcon is The Flood. If they retcon that, then they are also retconning Halo: Combat Evolved, which, as far as I am concerned, is one of the only two Halo games that I consider to be truly good. Anyways, I pretty much feel that after Reach I am done with the Halo series. This bull-blam!- is getting to be too much. And don't say that I am just whining about 343, because I realize that Bungie has also made canon errors, and it is the cumulation of their's and 343's that have driven me to the point of hating what was once my favorite series.

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  • Sorry guys, my internet was disconnected for a few days, couldn't pay the bills, and all that. Haven't had the chance to buy the book, been sorting out all sorts of other issues, but it seems that most everything else has been addressed. I'm extremely disappointed in 343, and I've always supported them...but this has to stop. They've done great things before, but stuff like the encyclopedia, the new re-write, and the First Strike/Flood covers do not inspire confidence in me.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gzalzi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BK Burger Boy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Nerds! ;)[/quote] You're no Frankie![/quote] Yeah, Urk doesn't ruin canon.[/quote] I lol'd. Canon for everything is eventually screwed in a dumpster on top of a burning freight train. Just look at Star Wars. I have what's called a personal canon where in my mind only the good stuff happened.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Facist Pikl okay so 40 minutes to 10 years? wow fail [/quote] It is a typo.

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  • okay so 40 minutes to 10 years? wow fail

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  • battle of reach took 40 mins :/ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Facist Pikl I just joined this forum, but in the new book the battle of reach now took 10 years instead of 2 days?[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] milla da killa This all makes sense now! It took them 10 years to go from Reach to the first Halo, because this is how long it's taken them to release H:R after the release of H:CE! So by this logic, it took them 40 years to find Chief and Cortana after H:CE, and the another 20 years for the events of H2 to start, thus MC is actually a robot, which is why we can't see his face. And it turns out that the entire time, the Halo's just shot a massive amount of confetti into space and played obnoxiously loud techno music! THIS MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW![/quote]You've worked it out!

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  • Wow, one more reason to stop reading these books.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] milla da killa This all makes sense now! It took them 10 years to go from Reach to the first Halo, because this is how long it's taken them to release H:R after the release of H:CE! So by this logic, it took them 40 years to find Chief and Cortana after H:CE, and the another 20 years for the events of H2 to start, thus MC is actually a robot, which is why we can't see his face. And it turns out that the entire time, the Halo's just shot a massive amount of confetti into space and played obnoxiously loud techno music! THIS MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW![/quote] Wow that actual- Hey! Were you being sarcastic?

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  • This all makes sense now! It took them 10 years to go from Reach to the first Halo, because this is how long it's taken them to release H:R after the release of H:CE! So by this logic, it took them 40 years to find Chief and Cortana after H:CE, and the another 20 years for the events of H2 to start, thus MC is actually a robot, which is why we can't see his face. And it turns out that the entire time, the Halo's just shot a massive amount of confetti into space and played obnoxiously loud techno music! THIS MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hillofheroes1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MeLtingBrAinZ guys relax! their just making 10years of space for the new halo games..,cause you know prior to reach it wouldn't be so cool cause without shields and stuff they would have to change the game style :P[/quote] i like my old halo better thank you [/quote] Agree, i like the Halo Bungie created, not the one 343 is doing.[/quote] Most of 343 is made of previous Bungie employees (I think, I jnow the head of 343 is frank o'conner, who used to work at bungie). and I still want to know the size of the book...[/quote] Key word there. FORMER Bungie employees. They had to have been laid off for a reason...this is why. Quality control, we have it for a reason. Oh, and are the Elites discovered before 2552 now?

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  • Somebody make a Thread in the 343 Halo Forums [url]http://halo.xbox.com/forums/f/10.aspx[/url] Then we can have the 343 Staff see this as well, and show them that We Mean Buisness

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  • I just joined this forum, but in the new book the battle of reach now took 10 years instead of 2 days?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Najar I knew it, they will end to ruin the franchise, i knew it.[/quote] Didn't everyone???

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BK Burger Boy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Nerds! ;)[/quote] You're no Frankie![/quote] Yeah, Urk doesn't ruin canon.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED Does Frankie ever come around these parts? Maybe if we PM him we can get our point across. [/quote] I don't know... I'd assume he lurks around, but i don't know if he still posts.

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  • Does Frankie ever come around these parts? Maybe if we PM him we can get our point across.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED I think we should still contact them with a petition signed by die-hard Halo cannon fans to ask them to STOP SCREWING WITH THINGS. If they're gonna make new stuff that's cool but disturbing things already accepted as cannon and known to Halo fans is just wrong. Does 343 have a website? I googled and found a "343 jobs" page but that's about it.[/quote] That is something I do not like about them either. The fact that they have no fan site of their own, and no way easy way to get in contact with them. So it is not easy for fans to get their criticism across. The closest I could find to a website is this, [url=http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/]The Official Halo Website[/url]. You could try the Halo Waypoint feedback Forum on [url=http://forums.xbox.com/1980/ShowForum.aspx]xbox.com[/url]. I looked in there, and there does not even seem to be a thread on this. There is also Facebook threads as well, although not everyone has that. It would probably just get locked though. I do not think they allow petitions on xbox.com either.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED Was reading this thread last night before it got the Golden Seventh column. Here I am on my lunch break and skipped through pages to see if a Bungie employee could shed some light on this horrible mess... only to see Urk called us nerds. We NEED to hear something from 343. We need some clarification. I say we make a petition to 343 asking them to fix what they've screwed up or explain themselves. What I don't get in the first place is why they would even re-release the book. The original Fall of Reach is my absolute favorite book despite is minor inconsistencies (which I like to think happened because of a publishing mistake.) Who's down to write something up for 343? I'd do it but I'm about to go back to work for the next five hours.[/quote] They said it was a printing error for the dates...[/quote] LOL, good one. There seems to be alot of those. I agree with the petition idea however. This is getting absurd. [/quote] No really, that's what they said. :|

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  • I think we should still contact them with a petition signed by die-hard Halo cannon fans to ask them to STOP SCREWING WITH THINGS. If they're gonna make new stuff that's cool but disturbing things already accepted as cannon and known to Halo fans is just wrong. Does 343 have a website? I googled and found a "343 jobs" page but that's about it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED Was reading this thread last night before it got the Golden Seventh column. Here I am on my lunch break and skipped through pages to see if a Bungie employee could shed some light on this horrible mess... only to see Urk called us nerds. We NEED to hear something from 343. We need some clarification. I say we make a petition to 343 asking them to fix what they've screwed up or explain themselves. What I don't get in the first place is why they would even re-release the book. The original Fall of Reach is my absolute favorite book despite is minor inconsistencies (which I like to think happened because of a publishing mistake.) Who's down to write something up for 343? I'd do it but I'm about to go back to work for the next five hours.[/quote] They said it was a printing error for the dates...[/quote] LOL, good one. There seems to be alot of those. I agree with the petition idea however. This is getting absurd.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED Was reading this thread last night before it got the Golden Seventh column. Here I am on my lunch break and skipped through pages to see if a Bungie employee could shed some light on this horrible mess... only to see Urk called us nerds. We NEED to hear something from 343. We need some clarification. I say we make a petition to 343 asking them to fix what they've screwed up or explain themselves. What I don't get in the first place is why they would even re-release the book. The original Fall of Reach is my absolute favorite book despite is minor inconsistencies (which I like to think happened because of a publishing mistake.) Who's down to write something up for 343? I'd do it but I'm about to go back to work for the next five hours.[/quote] They said it was a printing error for the dates...

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  • Was reading this thread last night before it got the Golden Seventh column. Here I am on my lunch break and skipped through pages to see if a Bungie employee could shed some light on this horrible mess... only to see Urk called us nerds. We NEED to hear something from 343. We need some clarification. I say we make a petition to 343 asking them to fix what they've screwed up or explain themselves. What I don't get in the first place is why they would even re-release the book. The original Fall of Reach is my absolute favorite book despite is minor inconsistencies (which I like to think happened because of a publishing mistake.) Who's down to write something up for 343? I'd do it but I'm about to go back to work for the next five hours.

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