I don't what can be done about these guns but something needs to change. Every single non light level game I go into just one player in the game starts off using one of these two weapons and by the end the entire match devolves into people abusing these two weapons. If you want a definition of overpowered vs overused its these two guns. Not Mida or Quilliums.
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Thorn is complete trash...
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I have a 66% precision kill ratio with handcannons. That's higher then my sniper ratio. Of course I'm going to walk into crucible with these weapons and kick ass. Dude I used Hawkmoon and trials this past weekend and smashed Mida users. Handcannons are my favorite weapon class and just because you don't like them doesn't mean they need a nerf!
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Thorn is just annoying. Last Word is only effective in close range and is inconsistent in medium range.
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F that. TLW is way cheesier than Thorn.
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They're fine dude. Try using your thumbs to play instead of your entitled ego
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Everyone that claims thorn is trash is clearly a year 2 player. Thorns the shit even though I don't use it much. When I did use it a lot that thing handles and aims like a boss. Wait till it comes back
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Agreed, any weapon that gives bonus damage or fire rate all the time for nothing will always be overpowered. Guns like touch of malice give bonus damage after firing 10 rounds, at the cost of health. Crowd control, reactive reload, headseeker, final round, luck in the chamber, etc., are all either inconsistent or require you to do something before bonus damage procs. Thorn just gives burning for nothing. Weapons that just give you better dps for nothing should not be in the game or changed to match other weapons
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The Thorn was tuned very nicely, in my opinion. I'd like to see it brought to year 2. :)
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I played a couple of games of clash today and only saw one thorn. It was a really good spread of weapons actually lots of legendaries is never heard off.
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Thorn and Tlw are not overpowered they are simply good just because YOU cannot counter those weapons does not mean other people can't. I suggest you practice more and cry less. Ty.
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[quote]but something needs to change[/quote] Maybe you need to start play better?!.. Do you ever think about it?
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Edited by UrWurstNitmare: 2/10/2016 11:22:01 AMThat's life kid deal with it and try to survive and be successful you can't just complain here all day all night 24/7 to nerf a weapon that has rapidly grown in usage this is what's wrong with the community CRYBABIES. There is nothing left more to nerf of The Last Word rather than to completely nerf it so that we will lose our best players RealKraftyy‚Watts‚ChonAndii and MTashed. Please stop The Last Word had enuf nerfs already and also go get a life sir let us the sharpshooters who use hand cannons leave us alone because we want to feel rewarded for every single paced shot just as to how you fanboys keep using MIDA and spam the trigger to death. We want harmony especially us Hand Cannon users after patch 2.0 brought flood to the game and causing others to outright quit because of crybabies asking the nerfs
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Quillums is by far the most OP weapon in this game. But it's not really a problem because it only comes around very rarely. However just because you can't use something doesn't mean it's op
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Those are really just pvp weapons
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It's people like OP reasons why I still use my Thorn, they take the game way too serious when I'm just having fun
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You have summoned me
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I love how you're whining about these guns when there are broken as fûck guns like Doctrine out there
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Used thorn for 12 kills for my Crimson bounty.. Changed as soon as I got that 12th kill... Felt dirty.. And wrong..
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Edited by Adam: 2/10/2016 7:11:11 AMI think Last Word while a little annoying at times and very powerful, isn't too bad compared to Year 1. Thorn is a big problem again though. Hopefully they'll actually fix it at some point.
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I'm not saying it's open but the last word is getting annoying everyone and their 10 year old incest brother is using it in PVP. And EVERYTIME I get killed by it the player starts tbagging I'm over hear like good for you you can kill me with an automatic hands-on that rewards you for not aiming. I'm getting real fired of being killed with this gun at any range. Yes I do have it and I have used it and it was incredibly easy for me to master. I just don't feel like using it to to make me.have the advantage.
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Last word already had a major buff dude...
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TLW is fine where it is, it's just different which first off is how all exotics should be but that's going to make it used by a lot of people. The thorn just needs major nerfs, and everything else needs a buff to meet up to these guns
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I'm definitely tired of seeing TLW but no Thorn. Hardly seems right. B[