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Hunters and Titans Need to Listen (ONLY IF YOU MAIN ONE OF THOSE 2)

After replying to a fellow Warlock's plea to give us something just to compete with the Hunters and Titans in Crucible..... "Anyone against this has never used a Warlock for the majority of their career as a guardian. When I do see another Warlock against me, I can at least take on that person while they use a super. I can blink out of the way from a Nova Bomb. I can still take out a Radiance type, even after self reviving and stay alive afterwards, and can headshot a stormcaller before he/she gets too close. If anyone spent their days playing as a Warlock, they'd understand. There are MORE Hunters and Titans in the Crucible than Warlocks. When we get our exotic helm allowing us to Blink FASTER and FURTHER, while having a quick draw perk added, will balance at least the Voidwalker class with the other 3 Titan and Hunter subclasses. The facts: Titans are tanks. They throw mini rockets that destroy anything and everything in their path, while leaving pockets of fire that do damage over time. They have a BUBBLE that makes them invincible. They have a class that can kill you instantly from a distance after sprinting, NOT EVEN BLINK CAN AVOID IT. Hunters can one shot anyone using ANY super with a glowing gun, blades that regen health WITH ARMOR, and an arrow that can tether targets, slow them down, and can take double damage when caught. Warlocks have ONE bomb that needs to be timed at the RIGHT MOMENT to get any kill. Good for clearing areas, but never super charged when needed. We get a self rez that is still useless because once we move, we can still get shot in the head or supered by another in 1 hit. The stormcaller can chain kills, short teleport to avoid attacks, but can still get shot down in the head or supered ONCE before we get close. Our blink sucks. It's only good for running away. Our glide isn't as fast as a hunter's double/triple/quad jump or Titan's lift. The list goes on and on and on......... I can list off all the problems we face. I could write a full book on the difficulties of being a Warlock in Crucible. You fûcking hunters and titans crying about wanting what the titans or hunters have. Us Warlocks want our own shît, some buffed, some new things added, not stealing from others. I've played with all 3 classes. Hunters AND Titans have it MUCH EASIER than Warlocks. If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong. Play the dàmn game as a Warlock for a month, ONLY playing Crucible. Let's see you get stomped on, chewed at by other Hunters/Titans when they get all the good shît." I'm sick of the Titans and Hunters crying that they don't get self rez. That is the biggest problem. We NEED something. SOMETHING to compete with you guys. Hunter and Titan players are used to their classes as much as I am to my Warlock, probably from day 1. I'll easily remove your comment if against this. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. If I hear ANY cry or complaint that we have something you don't, this entire post will be reposted again and again to get the point across. Each class is unique. If you want something we have, too bad. It's never going to happen.

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  • As a Warlock main, I'm going to point out that the reasons why people complain about warlocks is that they have access to the one super that amplifies neutral game and can tank a GG shot if specced right and also have access to the longest lasting super in the game (which save for one specific scenario is incredibly weak imo). On top of this, Warlocks have access to the longest burn in the game. It almost makes the Thorn two-tap of old look like child's play. You can hit someone with 1 round from just about anything (save maybe the Doctrine) and then catch them with a burn-laced firebolt and, unless they get a regen or an overshield, they're dead and you have pretty much a free 100 points. If you don't hit them with anything, they proceed to burn for 14 seconds, removing them from the fight for about 20 seconds. That's an incredibly long time in an FPS. Without Viking Funeral, Burn laced nades aren't completely busted.

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  • Again You copy-paste? I'll copy-paste [quote]After replying to a fellow Warlock's plea to give us something just to compete with the Hunters and Titans in Crucible.....[/quote] "Something just something?" Here we go [quote]"Anyone against this has never used a Warlock for the majority of their career as a guardian. When I do see another Warlock against me, I can at least take on that person while they use a super.[/quote] Not really [quote]I can blink out of the way from a Nova Bomb.[/quote] No you can't. You can change the direction of the Nova Bomb mid-super. There are numerous perks that increase the blast radius of Nova Bomb to the point that it is unavoidable. Also-- You say "I can blink out of the way." I'm assuming that you are playing as a Warlock (because really, who plays as a Bladedancer?) Meaning, [b]the only way to avoid the Warlock super is to use the Warlock jump.[/b] And you're saying Voidwalkers are underpowered? [quote]I can still take out a Radiance type, even after self reviving and stay alive afterwards,[/quote] No, you can't. They'll just toss a sticky grenades in your general direction, and bye-bye you. [quote]and can headshot a stormcaller before he/she gets too close.[/quote] There should be two options when killing an enemy in a super: running away, and shooting them down. It is impossible to run away from a Stormcaller. They last so long and move so far that you simply can't run away. [quote]If anyone spent their days playing as a Warlock, they'd understand. There are MORE Hunters and Titans in the Crucible than Warlocks.[/quote] Warlocks do everything better than Titans. I'll explain my reasoning in a bit [quote]When we get our exotic helm allowing us to Blink FASTER and FURTHER, while having a quick draw perk added, will balance at least the Voidwalker class with the other 3 Titan and Hunter subclasses.[/quote] You have the Ram. Stfu. [quote]The facts: Titans are tanks.[/quote] No, Radiant Skin-Ram-Flame Shield Warlocks are. [quote]They throw mini rockets that destroy anything and everything in their path, while leaving pockets of fire that do damage over time.[/quote] "Destroy everything in their path?" Tell that to [url=http://youtu.be/7roraFXEe8A]him[/url] [quote]They have a BUBBLE that makes them invincible. [/quote] "Invincible" Again, tell that to [url=http://youtu.be/shvVzP3Q12Q]him[/url] [quote]They have a class that can kill you instantly from a distance after sprinting, NOT EVEN BLINK CAN AVOID IT.[/quote] http://youtu.be/bUCt1Wb9M2A [quote]Hunters can one shot anyone using ANY super with a glowing gun,[/quote] Remember back when they couldn't kill Sunbreakers with one shot? Yeah Good times [quote]blades that regen health WITH ARMOR, and an arrow that can tether targets, slow them down, and can take double damage when caught.[/quote] Actually, you're completely correct. Even though Arc Blade hit registration is bugged, it's still incredible viable to use. [quote]Warlocks have ONE bomb that needs to be timed at the RIGHT MOMENT to get any kill. Good for clearing areas, but never super charged when needed.[/quote] Same applies for FoH. However, the difference is that Nova Bomb is [i]ranged.[/i] You can activate it from a safe distance. Titans have to sprint right next to enemies to use it. [quote]We get a self rez that is still useless because once we move, we can still get shot in the head or supered by another in 1 hit.[/quote] We get a bubble that can't move and is instantly destroyed by any super for a free multi-kill. [quote]The stormcaller can chain kills, short teleport to avoid attacks, but can still get shot down in the head or supered ONCE before we get close. [/quote] That's true of ALL supers. However, Stormtrance lasts way too long. [quote]Our blink sucks. It's only good for running away.[/quote] Except is [i]excels[/i] at doing just that. "Oh no, there are some enemies I can't kill! Poof, I'm gone!" [quote]Our glide isn't as fast as a hunter's double/triple/quad jump or Titan's lift.[/quote] That's the only thing Warlocks aren't the best at. You have the best panic super. You have the most armor. You have the best melees. You have the best grenades. You have the best passive abilities. [quote]The list goes on and on and on.........[/quote] Completely agree. There are so many things that Warlocks do best. [quote]I can list off all the problems we face. I could write a full book on the difficulties of being a Warlock in Crucible.[/quote] I could do the same, except I would list out why Titans are the most underpowered. [quote]You fûcking hunters and titans crying about wanting what the titans or hunters have. Us Warlocks want our own shît, some buffed, some new things added, not stealing from others.[/quote] ??? [quote]I've played with all 3 classes. Hunters AND Titans have it MUCH EASIER than Warlocks.[/quote] Actually, no. You don't have a Titan on Xbox or PlayStation. [quote]If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong.[/quote] I did just that. [quote]Play the dàmn game as a Warlock for a month, ONLY playing Crucible. Let's see you get stomped on, chewed at by other Hunters/Titans when they get all the good shît.[/quote] Why don't you do the same as a Defender, or a Sunbreaker? [quote]I'm sick of the Titans and Hunters crying that they don't get self rez.[/quote] No, we're laughing that you think Self-Res takes any skill. [quote]That is the biggest problem. We NEED something. SOMETHING to compete with you guys. Hunter and Titan players are used to their classes as much as I am to my Warlock, probably from day 1.[/quote] You have the best melees, grenades, and passive abilities. How's that for "something?" [quote]I'll easily remove your comment if against this. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. If I hear ANY cry or complaint that we have something you don't, this entire post will be reposted again and again to get the point across. Each class is unique. If you want something we have, too bad. It's never going to happen.[/quote] Cute You've been proven wrong. So instead of addressing my points, you're going to scream your opinion louder in the hopes of getting more attention.

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    • I main warlock and I think we're doing ok. Most of your kills are from your weapons anyway. The only change I'd as for is that voidwalker be half as good as stormcaller in pve.

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    • I only want the voidwalkers buffed a little also bladedancer a better blink and better melee range would give destiny a little more variety in pvp and pve.

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    • Sounds like some Titans before the sunbreaker nerf.

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    • voidwalker and sunsinger are pretty balanced imo i would only make both the flameshield and lifesteal activate on kill not on hit, and for stormtrance i would make em move a little bit slower when they activate their super and reduce the time if you are using landfall its too cheesy right now

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    • Edited by FROSTY0029: 1/29/2016 2:36:54 PM
      I'm going with the rest of the community here, you just suck at pvp and should stay away. I'll agree with you that warlocks don't have what titans and hunters do, but in the end a bad player is a bad player no matter how you sugar coated or rephrase it to make it not your fault. I have a warlock I do use him in pvp from time to time, and guess what I've killed people with nova bombs that I've thrown half ass, scorched the earth and guardians alike with sunsinger, electrocuted more than 4 guardians in a single stormcaller cast, and yet it isn't even fully unlocked I'm nowhere near the 300 light or even have my sunsinger class unlocked. Yet cause you feel your so disadvantage with how warlocks are you rather rant and discuss your failing points over actual practices and skill gaining with that character. How do you expect to win if you don't stay to learn from your losses???

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    • Just gonna leave this here... from @BostonBakedDeath [quote]Again You copy-paste? I'll copy-paste [quote]After replying to a fellow Warlock's plea to give us something just to compete with the Hunters and Titans in Crucible.....[/quote] "Something just something?" Here we go [quote]"Anyone against this has never used a Warlock for the majority of their career as a guardian. When I do see another Warlock against me, I can at least take on that person while they use a super.[/quote] Not really [quote]I can blink out of the way from a Nova Bomb.[/quote] No you can't. You can change the direction of the Nova Bomb mid-super. There are numerous perks that increase the blast radius of Nova Bomb to the point that it is unavoidable. Also-- You say "I can blink out of the way." I'm assuming that you are playing as a Warlock (because really, who plays as a Bladedancer?) Meaning, [b]the only way to avoid the Warlock super is to use the Warlock jump.[/b] And you're saying Voidwalkers are underpowered? [quote]I can still take out a Radiance type, even after self reviving and stay alive afterwards,[/quote] No, you can't. They'll just toss a sticky grenades in your general direction, and bye-bye you. [quote]and can headshot a stormcaller before he/she gets too close.[/quote] There should be two options when killing an enemy in a super: running away, and shooting them down. It is impossible to run away from a Stormcaller. They last so long and move so far that you simply can't run away. [quote]If anyone spent their days playing as a Warlock, they'd understand. There are MORE Hunters and Titans in the Crucible than Warlocks.[/quote] Warlocks do everything better than Titans. I'll explain my reasoning in a bit [quote]When we get our exotic helm allowing us to Blink FASTER and FURTHER, while having a quick draw perk added, will balance at least the Voidwalker class with the other 3 Titan and Hunter subclasses.[/quote] You have the Ram. Stfu. [quote]The facts:Titans are tanks.[/quote] No, Radiant Skin-Ram-Flame Shield Warlocks are. [quote]They throw mini rockets that destroy anything and everything in their path, while leaving pockets of fire that do damage over time.[/quote] "Destroy everything in their path?" Tell that to [url=http://youtu.be/7roraFXEe8A]him[/url] [quote]They have a BUBBLE that makes them invincible. [/quote] "Invincible" Again, tell that to [url=http://youtu.be/shvVzP3Q12Q]him[/url] [quote]They have a class that can kill you instantly from a distance after sprinting, NOT EVEN BLINK CAN AVOID IT.[/quote] [url=http://youtu.be/bUCt1Wb9M2A]http://youtu.be/bUCt1Wb9M2A[/url] [quote]Hunters can one shot anyone using ANY super with a glowing gun,[/quote] Remember back when they couldn't kill Sunbreakers with one shot? Yeah Good times [quote]blades that regen health WITH ARMOR, and an arrow that can tether targets, slow them down, and can take double damage when caught.[/quote] Actually, you're completely correct. Even though Arc Blade hit registration is bugged, it's still incredible viable to use. [quote]Warlocks have ONE bomb that needs to be timed at the RIGHT MOMENT to get any kill. Good for clearing areas, but never super charged when needed.[/quote] Same applies for FoH. However, the difference is that Nova Bomb is [i]ranged.[/i] You can activate it from a safe distance. Titans have to sprint right next to enemies to use it. [quote]We get a self rez that is still useless because once we move, we can still get shot in the head or supered by another in 1 hit.[/quote] We get a bubble that can't move and is instantly destroyed by any super for a free multi-kill. [quote]The stormcaller can chain kills, short teleport to avoid attacks, but can still get shot down in the head or supered ONCE before we get close. [/quote] That's true of ALL supers. However, Stormtrance lasts way too long. [quote]Our blink sucks. It's only good for running away.[/quote] Except is [i]excels[/i] at doing just that. "Oh no, there are some enemies I can't kill! Poof, I'm gone!" [quote]Our glide isn't as fast as a hunter's double/triple/quad jump or Titan's lift.[/quote] That's the only thing Warlocks aren't the best at. You have the best panic super. You have the most armor. You have the best melees. You have the best grenades. You have the best passive abilities. [quote]The list goes on and on and on.........[/quote] Completely agree. There are so many things that Warlocks do best. [quote]I can list off all the problems we face. I could write a full book on the difficulties of being a Warlock in Crucible.[/quote] I could do the same, except I would list out why Titans are the most underpowered. [quote]You fûcking hunters and titans crying about wanting what the titans or hunters have. Us Warlocks want our own shît, some buffed, some new things added, not stealing from others.[/quote] ??? [quote]I've played with all 3 classes. Hunters AND Titans have it MUCH EASIER than Warlocks.[/quote] Actually, no. You don't have a Titan on Xbox or PlayStation. [quote]If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong.[/quote] I did just that. [quote]Play the dàmn game as a Warlock for a month, ONLY playing Crucible. Let's see you get stomped on, chewed at by other Hunters/Titans when they get all the good shît.[/quote] Why don't you do the same as a Defender, or a Sunbreaker? [quote]I'm sick of the Titans and Hunters crying that they don't get self rez.[/quote] No, we're laughing that you think Self-Res takes any skill. [quote]That is the biggest problem. We NEED something. SOMETHING to compete with you guys. Hunter and Titan players are used to their classes as much as I am to my Warlock, probably from day 1.[/quote] You have the best melees, grenades, and passive abilities. How's that for "something?" [quote]I'll easily remove your comment if against this. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. If I hear ANY cry or complaint that we have something you don't, this entire post will be reposted again and again to get the point across. Each class is unique. If you want something we have, too bad. It's never going to happen.[/quote] Cute You've been proven wrong. So instead of addressing my points, you're going to scream your opinion louder in the hopes of getting more attention.[/quote]

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      • Edited by BOSS_TPH76: 1/29/2016 2:33:26 PM
        OP threatens to troll the forum full of trolls. It's super effective... :roll eyes: After this OP I am thoroughly convinced Warlocks need a NERF Also calling OPs bluff: I want hunter self res...it is just not fair that warlocks van self res

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        Absolutely not People who say that sunsinger needs a buff is wrong Sunsingers are pretty good in my opinion, strongest grenades, strongest melee, and an average super is pretty good Void walkers take more skill than any other subclass other than defender, I'll give you guys that. Storm caller has a melee range that definitely without a doubt needs to be knocked down a peg. The super is amazing in pvp so that doesn't necassarily need a buff either.

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      • *clears throat* *eyes dilate quickly and roll back up into head* *speaks in two slightly out of sync and echoey voices* May you never be able to fall asleep due to intense bouts of vertigo coming on moments before you drift off into sleep. That is all *eyes go back to normal and body goes completely limp, collapsing to the ground*

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      • I love voidwalker because it's super easy to use, fun, and very strong. Sunsinger is considered to be the best subclass by far by competitive players if used correctly, which is why most tournaments make it so you can only have one of each subclass per team. Stormcaller is also very strong as a roaming super, probably the strongest out there for facing non-super enemies. Meanwhile: Fist of havoc is pretty much the same as nova bomb Arc blade and HoS have major hit detection problems, and both need a buff and fix atm. You really can't complain about defender. If you think shadowshot is a good super, or that it's the best as shutting down other supers, I don't know what to tell you. It's a really bad super for pvp, there's just no other way to put it. With quiver it is a far worse golden gun, without quiver it is a far worse nova bomb. Golden gun is good offensively, but gives no defensive boost and is well balanced. Other than buffing HoS, buffing arc blade, and buffing shadowshot, the classes are pretty well balanced. And yes, I have used a warlock in pvp.

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        • Edited by Sweeps_234: 1/29/2016 6:42:36 AM
          [quote]I'll easily remove your comment if against this. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. If I hear ANY cry or complaint that we have something you don't, this entire post will be reposted again and again to get the point across. Each class is unique. If you want something we have, too bad. It's never going to happen.[/quote] Translation: My opinion is the only one that matters, and yours isn't welcome if it disagrees with mine. I'm such a close minded moron that I'll just block anyone who disagrees with me rather than actually argue my point. Seriously, you must be 12 years old, or have emotions that are so fragile that you get immediately defensive when someone provides evidence against your idiotic "facts."

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        • If you put half as much effort into playing the game as you did in writing this manifesto (which I didn't bother to read), than you might get good with your choice for Guardian. Or you could always switch to being a Titan <;-) Ed

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        • Arc blade does not have a armor buff...

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          • "Buff me because I'm not as good as I think I am" Warlocks are good, you just need to learn how to use them.

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          • Please fill me you pathetic incompetent

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          • Idiot

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          • I still have my best games with my warlock, arc warlock is really good.

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          • Warlocks have always been in that area were they are over powered but not ovbiously like hammers was. Only big thing for warlocks is viking funeral. Other then that warlocks are very strong if not the strongest. Only reason I don't play warlock more is that God awful jump. When I do actually play it I have to use blink because glide is ass.

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          • [quote] I'll easily remove your comment if against this. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. If I hear ANY cry or complaint that we have something you don't, this entire post will be reposted again and again to get the point across. Each class is unique. If you want something we have, too bad. It's never going to happen.[/quote] Haha, okay Assad. Your debating skills are on point! [BEGINS ONE SIDED RANT] *opens mouth to speak* [MUTED REPORTED COMMENT DELETED FUСK YOU] Like seriously, how old are you?

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          • Warlocks are just as good as other classes

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          • Sunsingers are the best subclass for trials.

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          • Everyone is equal in this game just depends on how you play.

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          • Edited by KittyTheQuiet1: 1/29/2016 2:02:39 PM
            I WANT A RADIANT SKIN SHADE STEPPING BLADE DANCER THAT SWINGS HAMMERS OF SOL WHILE WEARING TWILIGHT GARRISON THAT CAN ALSO HOVER MIDAIR WHILE SHOOTING. Go repost this rant again. Go ahead. You're only going to get one reaction from the community as a whole. If you can't take a rebuttal of your opinion, you shouldn't be stating said opinion on a public forum. Not saying you aren't entitled to your views...but trying to shout above everyone else time and again just makes you loud, not right.

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          • Look at my kd on my characters then realize wow maybe they aren't op

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