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4/23/2004 3:22:28 AM
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Little guide to the knowledge of the PC

[b]*WARNING DO NOT BUY SAPHIRE RADEON 9800PRO[/b] [*][color=white]This might help you if you consider upgrading your computer. First off , this guide is dedicated to the people who have no knowledge about computer and who think that a celeron 2.8ghz is better than a duron 1.4 ghz. If you dont know what those 2 word means.....realy read this post. 1- The Cpu (Central Processing Unit) Your CPU is used to calculate things (YIPE) like player position, shadow, bullet speed, damage and about everything else that need to be calculated. In fact games that has some complex AI (if you dont know what AI mean .... go watch Red vs Blue ..... If you dont know whta is red vs blue leave this forum now) will need a better CPU (Like the halo campain). Your cpu has ALMOST nothing to do with the visual appearence of a game (This is handled by the video card) so if you want better visual and you have an half decent cpu dont even bother upgrading it. ........So lets go into details There is 2 brand of cpu : INTEL (INTegrated ELectronic) and AMD (Advanced Micro Device) INTEL Pentium 1 Play game that are 10 years old .... if you want to play halo or any other game get a newer CPU Pentium 2 Same things as pentium 1 Pentium 3 This CPU is the minimum to play today game and its the VERY minimum. P3 range from 450 to 1300 mhz. If you have a P3 with less than 800 mhz you will not be able to play halo. With more than 800mhz you will be able to play halo (or some other new games) but with poor performance. Pentium 4 There is 4 variant of the p4 : The P4a , the P4b , the P4c and the P4e P4a (1.3ghz to 1.8ghz) Mhz for Mhz the p3 is better than those CPU. The P4a is a rushed CPU made by intel to compete with the AMD. Those CPU were and are still a waste of money. Those cpu were replaced by the P4b. Using a p4a you will be able to play halo with some good fps (depending on the speed of it and of your video card) but in the campain and in medium fight you will notice some major slow down... P4b (1.8ghz to 2.6ghz (i do think that there is a 2.8ghz version)) A much better version of the P4. Still weaker than the AMD variant those p4 offer good perfomance in every game including halo. With a cpu like this (still depend on his speed) you will be able to play halo with good fps with some minor slowdown in big fight. P4c (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called NORTHWOOD The best series of P4. Those cpu are very powerfull and are only beaten by the more recent AMD 64bit CPU. With a cpu like this you should be able (if you have a good video card) to play halo with almost no slow down of any kind. (Those cpu are also good overclocker). If you want this CPU to perform to his max you MUST have dual channel ram (more on that later). P4e (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called PRESCOTT In one word : WASTE. Those cpu perform less than the "c" version of the p4 and HEAT A LOT. If you buy this cpu you will no longer need to heat your room during winter. Celeron (any kind) Pure waste of silicon and money. Those cpu are a shame. Take your money and go buya real cpu. In fact a 2.4ghz Celeron is 50 to 70 % slower than a cheap (30$) AMD Duron 1400mhz. If you play halo with this cpu you will get some major slow down even in calm zone. P4 extreme A VERY VERY expensive Cpu. If you play halo with this cpu you not notice any lag even in the biggest fight. For 1000$+ those cpu are a waste of money over the less expensive athlon 64 who offer equivalent performance. AMD NOTE : THE NUMBER THAT REPRESENT THE CPU (EX: 3200+) DO NOT REPRESENT THE CLOCK SPEED (A 3200+ run at 2.2ghz) but dont be fooled clock rate do not represent speed. Ex: A A64 3400+ at 2.4 ghz is faster than a p4c 3.2ghz. K6 Waste. Athlon "no xp" (600 to 1400mhz) Those cpu perform a little less than the p3 With a 800 mhz Athlon or more you SHOULD be able to play halo with 5 fps (Frame per second) Athlon xp (1400+ to 3200+) Those cpu are cheap, fast, stable....(speed depend on the model) Generaly those cpu are the best choice for a cheap and good pc. Cheaper than the best celeron the slowest athlon xp (1400+) can triple the performance of the celeron. Go figure... Those CPU will play halo very well depending on the model. 1400 to 2000 = Small slowdown in big battle 2200 to 3200 = Very good performance Athlon 64 (2800, 3000, 3200, 3400) The A64 2800 is litterally the best price/performance cpu out there. The A64 3400 is among the best cpu ever made so far. For the price those cpu are great , and 64 bit is a bonus. Any of those CPU play halo with no lag of any kind. :D (Those are my personnal favorite) Athlon FX (51-53) Pretty much like the P4 Extreme edition but ..... faster and with 64 bit (more like a bonus). Those are simply the fastest. If you have problem playing halo with those one you are smoking good things or you have a very bad video card. 2-The video card The video card is the what generate all the beatifull effect in a game (ie: halo). There is 2 company who make video card : ATI and NVIDIA (Any other brand is PURE waste). The better your video card the faster the frame will go (FPS : frame per second). Cards will be classified like this: -Name: xxxxxxx -Memory: xxx -Speed: xx/10 -Comment: xxxxxxxxxxx NVIDIA -Name: Geforce 256 and less -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 0.5/10 -Comment: i would not bother playing halo with this. -Name: Geforce2 -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 1.5/10 -Comment: Fair performance for its age and very low price. -Name: Geforce2 mx -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 0.2/10 -Comment: Forget it. -Name: Geforce3 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 3 or 4 depending on the model /10 -Comment: Aging but still good cards (better than any mx) and you can have those for very low $$$. -Name: Geforce4 mx400 or 440 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: A glorified Geforce 2 with higher clock rate. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4200 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: VERY good card for the price but no directx 9 support (less eyes candy). Showing its age. BTW the 128 mb version WITH agp 8x is the fastest version. The 128 mb version with no agp is a card using very slow ram. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4400 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4.2/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4200. Get a 4200 and overclock it... -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4600 -Memory:64 or 128 -Speed: 4.4/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4400. Get a 4200 and overclock it more... The FX cards got 2 version : non-ultra and ultra..... The ultra is an overclocked version of the other. Basically 10-15% faster. -Name: Geforce FX-5200 and 5200ultra -Memory: 64, 128 and 256 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: Waste of money, the 128 and 256 mb version are even more a waste. Halo is playable but almost no eye candy. Low fps in large battle. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5500 -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 2.1/10 -Comment: A tad faster than the fx5200, but still very crappy as a card. -Name: Geforce FX-5600 and 5600ultra -Memory: 128 -Speed: 3.5/10 -Comment: I am sceptical about those card. They perform slow in some game and good in other. In halo they run between slow and medium. Not all the eyes candy can be turned on. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5700 and 5700ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 4.5/10 -Comment: Pretty good mid-range card. Use good memory. Halo playable with smooth frame rate. Some slowdown in battle. Eye candy turned on and 800x600 should be playable. 256mb Version not much expensive compared to 128mb but still not much performance difference. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5800 and 5800ultra -Memory: 6.5/10 -Speed: 128 and 256 -Comment: Also called the leaf blower this card make terrible noise and push a lot of air. A big fiasquo. Run realy bad in some game. *Discontinued* . Performance in halo are good with some visual quality problem. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5900 and 5900ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 8.8/10 -Comment: Much better version of the 5800. This card is less noisy. Performance are a bit under the ATI equivalent , the 9800pro. Performance in halo should be very good with all eyes candy on and a resolution of 1024*768. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5950ultra -Memory: 256 -Speed: 9/10 -Comment: Not much more speed than the 5900ultra (1-4% more) but a BIG price difference...Basically a overclocked 5900ultra. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5900XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7/10 -Comment: This is a VERY good card for the price. It can even be overclocked to a 5900ultra. Good halo performance. Support DX9. -Name: Geforce FX-6800 -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 10/10 -Comment: Very good card. Support PS 3.0. About 40% faster than FX-5900 [b]-Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!![/b] -Name: Geforce FX-6800LE -Memory: 128mb -Speed: 8.5/10 -Comment: Much faster than the 9800pro/5900ultra in some games....slower in other. Good card for 200$ and less. -Name: Geforce FX-6800ultra -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 14/10 -Comment: About 100-120% faster than 5950ultra... [/color] [Edited on 8/29/2004 11:25:30 AM]
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  • It will "play" halo... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • hey i got a question i got a good computer (3.2mh) p4 and good sound and everything but a i got a really bad nvida 5200 is that good enought to play halo

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  • wait. Is ibuypower.com a good site for gaming PC's? If not, what is.

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  • this is a good video card for halo get this

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  • hell yes the performance will increase

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  • Wtf are you talking about....you want me to tell you my cd-key....are you stupid? [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • I have a question.Could you tell me those numbers if you have halo pc.The numbers are either in the box or on the cd.

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  • Okay, so here is a little testimony to how this forum has helped me: Here is the system I started with, shortly before reading this forum: 2.0 celeron 512 mb pc 2700 (x 1) PC Parts something or other MOBO Radeon 9200se Halo played like a skipping cd sounds... lots of pauses, major slowdown in battles- and absolutely NO eye candy turned on... just barebones, and even at that, lots of slowdown. After starting with this forum and doing more research on my own, I upgraded/ built basically a new computer: P4 2.8c 800fsb, 512 L2 (cooled with Coolmax adjustable rpm fan, Arctic Silver 5) 2x 256mb pc3200 Kingston RAM Gigabyte GA-8ipe1100 (i865 chipset) Radeon 9600 pro (oc'd to 9600 XT) 30 GB Maxtor, 120 GB Seagate HD First upgrade was the graphics card... which really didn't do much on it's own, because the processor was bottlenecking the system so badly. Then I got the MOBO (had to upgrade to get a better processor, and I wanted to be able to get a P4 with 800mhz fsb)... again- not a lot of difference yet... Then came the new processor and ram... and WHAMO- immediate, instant, noticeable difference- in every way. I get virtually no slowdown right now- even in the heavist action. Most of the parts I bought used or got a deal on: 9600 pro (online for $105) Gigabyte GA-8ipe1100 (ebay for $60, used but fine) P4 2.8c (ebay for $150, OEM) 2x 256 PC 3200 Kingston (ebay for $65, NIB) 30GB Maxtor, 120 GB Seagate It wasn't hard to build everything- basically a brand new computer for under $400, with great specs, great overclocking potential, and rips it up with HALO. THANKS for all the posts- opened my eyes to a lot I never knew about gaming and my computer!

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  • I dont have the PC verion but I downloaded halo custom edition and I only relized when its to late that you have to get the original pc version.Since I have this game for xbox already there is no need to pay for the original pc version.Isnt there some way to play custom edition if you already have the xbox version?

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  • Iam thinking about getting halo CE for the pc. I have it for xbox but i want to play mulitplayer. My video card is a Geforce4 mx400 or 440 and i have the pentium 4 b. Is it worth it to buy halo for pc on it.

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  • Realy nice rig should last 2-3 years... Btw you should get 2 stick of memory to run dual channel... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 8/1/2004 9:32:46 AM]

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  • Coytler, after much ado, i have finally finish upgrading my Rig. here it is: Pentium 4 2.8ghz, 512k cache, 533fsb, 478 socket pin 512mb DDR333 PNY Nvidia Geforce 6800nu 128mb 40gb Hard drive Sound Blaster 16 (2.1 setup) How long do you think i can go with this setup until it will be necessary upgrading? especially the RAM, do i really need 1gb, or will the 512mb last one more year?

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  • not bad , but i'd go with a r9800pro for the same price... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • ne1 know a good site to look at gaming PC's? EDIT: Nvm, found one. Is this card reccommended for Halo? 128MB GeForce FX-5900XT 8X AGP Video [Edited on 7/31/2004 1:11:08 PM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HaloHappy [quote]I want a cheap card that will have good graphics, but I don't care about resolution. I don't like playing Halo where everyone (Spartans, Elites, Grunts) is white. That's the problem. What's a good one and how much does it cost? [/quote] How cheap is cheap?? For $170- $200, you can get a Radeon 9600xt, 9700pro, and 9800pro which are pretty good cards right now.. But the 9700pro and 9800pro are huge steps up from the 9600xt. If your really rolling in the dough and you think that $300-$400 is cheap, the Radeon x800 series or the GeForce 6800 series is the way to go. You really cant go wrong with these cards right now. Im trying to get my hands on a GeForce 6800nu right now. I found it for $275.00 :D. [/quote] Tru7h , The 9800pro is the budget card to get right now ! [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • [quote]I want a cheap card that will have good graphics, but I don't care about resolution. I don't like playing Halo where everyone (Spartans, Elites, Grunts) is white. That's the problem. What's a good one and how much does it cost? [/quote] How cheap is cheap?? For $170- $200, you can get a Radeon 9600xt, 9700pro, and 9800pro which are pretty good cards right now.. But the 9700pro and 9800pro are huge steps up from the 9600xt. If your really rolling in the dough and you think that $300-$400 is cheap, the Radeon x800 series or the GeForce 6800 series is the way to go. You really cant go wrong with these cards right now. Im trying to get my hands on a GeForce 6800nu right now. I found it for $275.00 :D. [Edited on 7/31/2004 10:25:13 AM]

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  • [quote] for the best graphics u should get a radeon 9600 xt and i like celeron [/quote] NO NO NO NO NO and wait..... NOOOO!!! The celeron is crap! How do i know? i fricken had one and it will be give you slow down if your just playing by yourself. Stay far away from the celeron. Just read what coytler said at the beggining of this post for the truth on chips, cards, everything. And the 9600xt is not al all the greatest in graphics cards. The 9700 and 9800 series are head and shoulders above it, not to mention the x800 sereies wich is only rivaled by the GeForce 6800 series. You can get the 9600xt if you like, but its not the best. But STAY AWAY FROM THE CELERON OF DOOOOM!!! It can barely do office work let alone run the games of today [Edited on 7/31/2004 10:17:53 AM]

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  • Huh? My post dissapeared. EDIT: It's back. nvm [Edited on 7/31/2004 9:09:49 AM]

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  • I want a cheap card that will have good graphics, but I don't care about resolution. I don't like playing Halo where everyone (Spartans, Elites, Grunts) is white. That's the problem. What's a good one and how much does it cost?

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  • for the best graphics u should get a radeon 9600 xt and i like celeron but some people dont. Yes it is a VERY good idea to build youre building youre own cpu

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  • well i use a 3.2 gegahertz celleron with a radeon 9600 xt and my other cpu is a p4 extreme with a with a 9600 xt. i get lag on my p4 and not my celleron. could it be my fast internet connetction???

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  • whats a good site for gaming PC's I'm going to build my own, but I just want to get a feel for what some other gaming PC's use

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  • They are getting better but northwood is still better. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • Coytler, is the Presscott really as crappy as you say it is? Im ordering a 2.66ghz Pentium 4 at 533FSB and 512k cache and im hoping to god its a Northwood. From those specs, can you tell if its a Northwood or Presscott. Is it worth the risk buying?? Im getting it as a bid right now for $56.00 :) so i hope its a good move

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  • Thanks for all the help. : )

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  • That would be the Radeon 9600se hard at work. That and many other things = gone with the x800 your getting. This card (the 9600se) runs Halo, but not well. The x800 will make everything lovely. Youll be playing with all eye candys on high at 1024x768 no sweat. You could probably play it at 1280x1024 if you want :) [Edited on 7/29/2004 2:47:20 PM]

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